12. Indigenous-Led Tech | Brown Eagle Belanger + Ethan Clark

Peter (00:00.143) It is like gut-wrenching when it happens to Know something like that. Yeah Yeah Brown Eagle (00:00.144) experiences. Carrie Robinson (00:00.228) Yeah, we started this what? Brown Eagle (00:11.084) And yeah, the first couple of like, this is never gonna work. I have a podcast before. Yeah. Ethan Clark (00:11.102) And yeah, the first couple of like this never gonna work. I've tried to start a podcast before when I was doing political work and my God, was it tough? Yeah, it's fun, but it's a lot. This Carrie Robinson (00:11.352) And the first couple I was like, this is never gonna work. We just can't get it right. Something clicked. Carrie Robinson (00:28.82) Is it tough? Yeah. It is. It's fun, but it's a lot. This software helps. this Riverside is amazing. It's like, Peter (00:30.061) Yeah. This software helps. Ethan Clark (00:40.878) Yeah. Yeah. It does all the audio and stuff too, right? Yeah. I was on a, I was on a podcast not too long ago and I didn't, I thought we were just doing the dry run and some app takes in the cafe. Carrie Robinson (00:41.588) It's like AI based, so what it does is it converts it all into like editable type. And then you can just edit the type. It does all the audio and stuff too, I was on a podcast not too long ago and I thought we were just doing the dry run. And so I'm half-saked in the cafe. Every little clitter clatter. Brown Eagle (00:41.676) It's Peter (00:42.054) It's uh, it's like AI based. what it does is it converts it all into like editable type and then you can just edit the type to edit it. Right. You don't have to sit there and cut the wave files up and yeah. Yeah. was on a not too long ago and I didn't, thought we were just doing the dry run. Right. And so I have to take the cafe. Ethan Clark (01:09.653) Oh man, and then I went because I was inside and then he's kind of like, you know, oh, we're recording. Oh, I'm going to go outside because you got the speakers going, the espresso machines going, didn't help us at Starbucks, they're especially loud. And then I'm like, I'm going to go outside. And then I go outside and there's a dog park across the street. Brown Eagle (01:10.822) And then I went inside and then he's kind of like, you know, over recording. Oh, I'm going to go outside. You got the speakers going, the special machines going, didn't almost start like that, especially loud. And then I'm like, I'm going to go outside. And then they go outside and there's a dog park across the street. And of course I was on the Peter (01:12.462) inside and then he's kind of like, oh, we're recording. Oh, I'm gonna go outside because we've got the speakers going, the espresso machines going. Didn't help us to start like sort of special as loud. And then I'm like, I'm gonna go outside. And then I go outside and there's a dog park across the street. And of course I was on Vancouver Island. Carrie Robinson (01:12.468) side and then he's kind of like you know over recording oh I'm gonna go outside because you got the speakers going the espresso machines going didn't help us at Starbucks they're especially loud. they really are. And go outside and then I go outside and there's a dog park across the street and of course I was on Vancouver Island to see how everybody goes. Ethan Clark (01:32.238) And of course I was on Vancouver Island, so you got everybody going by in their big diesel trucks. Yeah. it was every motorcycles, diesel trucks, dogs, kids, everything. I'm sitting there just like hand on the mute. yeah, it was great. Brown Eagle (01:34.79) you got everybody going buying every diesel trucks. Whoa, that's awesome. Jurdensburg? Yeah. was every motorcycle, diesel trucks, dogs, kids, everything. I'm sitting there with this hand on bottom of the u-turn. This doesn't mean a job took anything out. Oh, yeah. I saw five minutes and I actually wasn't doing this. Carrie Robinson (01:36.18) big diesel trucks. Oh, and honestly all the birds. Motorcycle, trucks, They're there just like hand on the mute. This does a pretty good job of taking everything out. Oh yeah, it's great. It's a hot mess. I actually listen to it, it's like there's echoing all over because these mics are picking each other up, but it just cleans it all up. We just did a quick little... Peter (01:36.462) diesel trucks. right. Yeah. Yeah. It was every motorcycle, diesel trucks, dogs, kids, everything. I sitting there just like handling them on the mute. yeah, it's a hot mess when I actually listen to it. It's like there's echoing all over because of these mics are picking each other up, but it just cleans it all up. We just did a quick little trial because I was like, my God, this sounds like hell, but it did a great job. So. Carrie Robinson (02:05.492) sounds like hell, but it did a great job. Ethan Clark (02:06.914) Yeah. Brown Eagle (02:08.418) I don't want to do that. I'd rather just do the interview. Operation stuff is like, I can do that. Is there anything, I'm sorry, into your form. Is there anything you want to just make sure we back on? Is there anything you want us to plug in? So yeah, I I guess like, of course, like AI has been a very Carrie Robinson (02:10.26) Yeah, that should be good. Is there, so is there anything, sorry we didn't get the intake form. Is there anything you wanted to make sure we touch on or anything you want us to plug? Peter (02:11.56) Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That should be good. So is there anything... Sorry, we didn't get the intake form. So, curious, is there anything you wanted to make sure we touch on or anything you want us to plug at the end of the episode? So, yeah, I mean, guess, like, of course, like, AI has been a... Ethan Clark (02:16.377) Is there anything you want to make sure we... Um, so yeah, I mean, I guess like, of course, like AI has been a big topic and for the indigenous communities, it's been a controversial one. And so that comes down to all things like, you know, the use of water. And of course, where's the water coming from? Where's it going through? It's going through indigenous communities. know, oftentimes you're having their waters highly affected by, uh, you know, the use of water and, know, Carrie Robinson (02:29.588) So, yeah, I mean, I guess like, of course, like, AI has been a very big topic and for the indigenous communities, it's been a controversial one. Oh, interesting. And so that comes down to all things like, you know, the use of water. And of course, where's the water coming from and where's it going through? It's going through indigenous communities. And, you know, oftentimes you're having their waters highly affected by the use of water. Brown Eagle (02:35.75) big topic and for the Indigenous communities, it's been a controversial one. so that comes down to all things like, you know, the use of water. And of course, where's the water coming from and where's it going through is something Indigenous communities, you know, oftentimes you're having their waters highly affected by, you know, the use of water and then it comes to like, just kind of taps in, ties into the drinking water problem that already exists. Peter (02:37.326) communities it's been a controversial one and so that comes down to all things like you know the use of water and of course where's the water coming from and where's it going through it's going through indigenous communities you know oftentimes you're having their water is highly affected by you know these water and then you know it comes to like just kind of taps into ties into the drinking water problem Ethan Clark (02:58.602) to like just kind of taps into the drinking water problem that already exists. And so, you know, we're seeing things like that. And that's to like major data centers, right? Which is why I guess the blockchain aspect of it sort of ties in and the decentralization of it, know, giving the compute back to the people and sort of eliminating the need for that. So I think there's an area there that we could touch on. Carrie Robinson (02:58.608) to just kind of taps into the drinking water problem that already exists. And so, you know, we're seeing things like that. And that's to like major data centers, right? Peter (03:03.214) exists. And so, you know, we're seeing things like that, unless we like major data centers, right? Which is why, you know, I guess, the blockchain aspect of it sort of ties in with decentralization of it, know, giving back to people and sort of eliminating the need for that. So I think there's there's an area there that we could touch on. Brown Eagle (03:04.581) And so, you know, we're seeing things like that and that's really major data centers, right? Which is why, you know, I guess the blockchain aspect of it sort of ties in with decentralization of it, know, giving feedback to people and sort of looking at it. So I think there's an area there that we could touch on. Okay. That sounds fascinating. As well as like the areas of the data. Carrie Robinson (03:13.81) Which is why, you I guess the blockchain aspect of it sort of ties in and the decentralization of it, know, giving the compute back to the people and sort of eliminating the need for that. So I think there's, there's an area there that we could touch on. Okay. that sounds fascinating. Yeah. Well, there's like the areas of, the data sort of that's been another very big topic is who's act, data is actually, you know, Ethan Clark (03:28.342) as well as like the areas of, the data slaughtering. That's been another very big topic is who's our, whose data is actually, you know, contributing to, to AI. and so, a big part of, you know, what we've been seeing sort of in the indigenous community at that sort of the, community level is, you know, misrepresentations of cultures. Peter (03:28.651) That sounds fascinating. As well as like the areas of the data sovereignty. That's been another very big topic is whose data is actually contributing to AI. so a big part of what we've been seeing, is just that sort of the community level is misrepresentations of cultures. Brown Eagle (03:34.298) that's been another very big topic is whose data is actually contributing to AI. so a big part of what we've been seeing, is just that sort of the community level is misrepresentations of cultures. And so you could ask it a question around. Carrie Robinson (03:40.98) contributing to AI and so a big part of what we've been seeing, to just minute that sort of community level is misrepresentations of cultures. so you could ask it a question around. Ethan Clark (03:56.522) and so, you know, you could like ask it a question around, you know, around an indigenous culture. just gives you like the most just like feels like you're watching an old Western sort of answer. Yeah. There's, things like that making up like fake languages that don't exist. Lots of weird stuff, right. Which comes back to data sovereignty. which is like, you know, Peter (03:57.075) And so, you know, you could like ask it a question around, you know, around indigenous culture. just gives you like the most just like feels like you're watching an old western sort of a bunch of America. Yeah. there's things like that, making up like fake languages that don't exist. Lots of weird stuff, right? Carrie Robinson (04:01.638) you know, around indigenous culture, it just gives you like the most, just like feels like you're watching an old western. Right, just most generic. Yeah. And there's things like that, making up like fake languages that don't exist. Lots of weird stuff. Yeah. Brown Eagle (04:02.776) around a different culture, feels like you're watching an old western adventure. there's things like that, fake languages that don't exist, lots of weird stuff, which comes back to data sovereignty, which is like, know, who's actually only data, who's contributing the data, who's being rewarded for that data being used, and who's able to actually access that data. Because a lot of these Carrie Robinson (04:18.152) which comes back to data sovereignty, which is like, you know, who's actually owned the data, who's contributed the data, who's being rewarded for that data being used, and who's able to actually access that data. Because a lot of these things may be very, you know, like I can speak for my own culture, we're very private in the way that we do things. don't really share our language with people, we won't share our culture with people. It's a very, very much an invite only sort of deal. Peter (04:18.187) which comes back to data sovereignty, which is like, you know, who's actually only data was contributing the data who's being rewarded for that data being used. And who's able to actually access that data because a lot of these things may be very, you know, but like I can speak for my own culture. It's we're very private in the way that we do things. don't really share our language with people. Ethan Clark (04:22.446) who's actually owning the data, who's contributing the data, who's being rewarded for that data being used, and who's able to actually access that data. Because a lot of these things may be very, you know, like I can speak for my own culture, it's we're very private in the way that we do things. don't really share our language with people, we won't share our culture with people. It's a very much an invite only sort of deal. Great, and that's? Coast Salish. Brown Eagle (04:31.558) It's maybe very, you know, but like I can speak for my own culture is we're very private in a way that we do things. don't really share our language with people, we don't share our culture with people. It's very much a true bi-onan sort of deal. Right, and that's? Coast Salish. Okay. The Squalhoun particularly are very, very, they were like the war people of the West Coast. so everything was... Peter (04:41.118) share our culture with people. It's a very much an invite-only sort of Right, and that's? Coast Salish. Okay. And the Squalum. And the Squalum particularly are very, very, they were like the war people of the West Coast. so everything was very standoffish. Right. And so, you we won't share culture with our art. you know, there's components of it. Carrie Robinson (04:48.546) Coast Salish. Okay. Amazing. The Squalum. And the Squalum particularly are very, very, very, they were like the war people of the war people of the West Coast. And so everything was very standoffish. Right. And so, you know, we won't share culture with our art. Like, you know, there's very, there's components of it that are for ourselves. And that information is to be only held by those that are born into it or married into it. Interesting. Ethan Clark (04:50.196) the Squalum and the Squalum particularly are very, very, they were like the war people of the war people of the West Coast. And so everything was very standoffish. And so, you know, we won't share culture, our art, like, you know, there's very, there's components of it that are for ourselves. And that information is to be only held by those that are born into it or married into it. And so when it comes down to, you know, Brown Eagle (05:00.346) very standoffish. And so, you know, we won't share culture. There's various components of it for ourselves, not information, for the only health, but those that are born into it or married into it. And so when it comes down to, you know, the sort of, and that kind of covered all of it, culture means so many different things. Peter (05:09.644) for ourselves and that information is to be held by those that are born into it or married into it. And so when it comes down to, you know, the sort of, and that kind of covered all of the culture, it means so many different things, especially for people that means, you know, economic systems, means environmental sort of assets. I mean, there's a lot there. And so Carrie Robinson (05:16.528) And so when it comes down to the sort of, and that kind of covered all the culture means so many different things, especially for people that means, know, economic systems, that environmental sort of assets. I mean, there's a lot there. so. Ethan Clark (05:20.256) the sort of, and that covers all things, culture means so many different things, especially for people, means economic systems, means environmental sort of assets. I mean, there's a lot there. And so I think that would be kind of the area that I think we could speak on best. know Brown is a lot more engaged, much more Brown Eagle (05:26.598) especially for people that means, you know, economic systems, means environmental sort of assets. I mean, there's a lot there. So I think that will be kind of the area that I think we could speak about. I know Brown's a lot more engaged in a lot, much more into the AI stuff than I am. Like I look at those sort of aspects of it, but. Peter (05:39.532) I think that would be kind of the area that think we could speak on best. know Brown's a lot more engaged and lot much more into the AI stuff than I am. Like I look at those are sort of aspects of it. Right, right. Carrie Robinson (05:40.532) I think that would be kind of the area that I think we could speak on best. know Brown's a lot more engaged and a lot much more into the AI stuff than I am. Like I look at those sort of aspects of it. Ethan Clark (05:47.886) into the AI stuff that I am. Like I look at those sort of aspects of it. Brown Eagle (05:53.868) Yeah, yeah, no, I come from like more of a like operational technical perspective of it. Like I didn't grow up with the culture really. I was born in a group survivor born into the systems. So I really see the special properties that blockchain and AI have to be able to bridge operational efficiency, structure, infrastructure and efficiencies. And so how to be able to do that to enhance, you know, indigenous communities through AI, through financial and digital literacy, right? Stuff like that. Yeah, amazing. Ethan Clark (06:02.061) So I really see the special properties of watching and have with the branching operation efficiency, structure, infrastructure and efficiency. And so I'll be able to that to enhance indigenous communities, AI, financial and digital. I love that. Okay. Yeah. Amazing. This is all very interesting. And we actually have somebody talking about like kind of the carbon impact of AI. this is very, yeah. Peter (06:03.112) I'm a survivor born into the systems, so I really see the special properties that blockchain have to be bridge operational efficiency, infrastructure and efficiencies. Carrie Robinson (06:15.36) I love it. Yeah, amazing. This is all very interesting and we have we've actually had somebody on talking about like kind of the carbon impact of AI so this is very Peter (06:19.627) Yeah, amazing. This is all very interesting. We actually have somebody on talking about this. Brown Eagle (06:22.63) This is all very interesting. We actually have somebody on talking about the carbon impact of AI. this is very interesting to hear this conversation that we've already been having. So it's awesome. So we'll probably do a little brief background on the production to this point. And then we'll go back the metrics and even write a little bit about, because we're doing this with the metrics, we be able to help what people waiting, looking forward to at the conference. Peter (06:28.844) So and we'll probably do like a little brief like background like what brought you to this point Here in adventure adventures and even like a little bit about because we're doing this with adventures might be a little bit about what you What are you looking forward to at the conference or something like that? I don't be super brief Carrie Robinson (06:30.054) It just continues a conversation that we've already been having. So it's awesome. And we'll probably do a little brief background, like what brought you to this point here in adventures and even a little bit about, because we're doing this with adventures, might be a little bit about what you're looking forward to at the conference. Ethan Clark (06:51.13) Mm-hmm. Okay. Carrie Robinson (06:53.896) Yeah, you can be quick about that one. This will be going out obviously after. Inventures. But it is, it's a co, like it's going to be, you know, artificial breakdown and adventures. And then we're probably wrapping up. Peter (07:02.002) It's to be, you know, artificial breakdown and ventures. Yeah. And then we're probably wrapping up everyone with a pretty light couple of questions about what are you most, we're AI focused in the podcast a lot. So there might be a little bit about like, what are you, what are you most worried about with AI over the next one? We might touch on some of those. And then there also, what are you most excited about with, with things moving ahead, Frank? Cause there's opportunities and then there's threats. So it's nice to kind of get a bit of both. Ethan Clark (07:03.102) know, Brown Eagle (07:05.058) And then we were probably wrapping up everyone with a pretty light couple questions about what do you know? We're AI focused and the podcast a lot, that might be a little bit like what do you? What do you most worry about with the next one? Carrie Robinson (07:10.192) about what he most, we're AI focused in the podcast a lot. What are you most worried about with AI over the next, we might touch on some of those and then they're also what are you most excited about? Yeah. There's opportunities and threats. Sounds good. Sounds great. Okay. I'm excited. Well, why don't you kick us off? Again, if there's something that comes up here like, Oh, I want to redo that or scratch that just get a little bit. And we'll give you. Brown Eagle (07:21.83) and then you're Ethan Clark (07:25.206) Yeah. Peter (07:32.201) Sound good? Sounds great. Okay. Okay. Well, why don't you kick us off, Kerry? And then again, if there's something that comes up, you're like, I want to redo that or scratch that. Just give it a little pause so we can edit it out. and we'll give you a copy of this ahead of time so you can have a listen. And if you want any edits after that, you're more than welcome. Carrie Robinson (07:47.636) of this at a time so you can have a listen and if you want any edits after that. Cool. then can you just remind me how to pronounce your last name there? Belanger. Belanger. That's awesome. It's interesting because it's like, it sounds French. What I understand from my history, I'm the Chapoy Street Fort out in the Saskatchewan area. Like it's just a watered down version of what it is today, but it's been around since, it's like pre-colonial. It's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. Mine was from some random marriage that my grandmother had with some Irish guy that we Brown Eagle (07:53.094) Cool. Can you just remind me how to pronounce your last name? Boulanger. Boulanger. That's awesome. It's interesting because it sounds French. What I understand from my history, I'm from a Chapoy Street 4 out in Saskatchewan area. It's such a watered down version of what it is today, but it's been around since pre-colonial. So it's interesting. Mine was from some random marriage that my grandmother had. Peter (08:02.027) sounds French yeah what I understand from my history from what chat boys treat for it on the Saskatchewan area. It's such a watered down version of what it is today but it's been around since. Mine was from some random marriage that my grandmother had with some Irish guy that we have zero blood connection with. Ethan Clark (08:16.098) Mine was from some random marriage that my grandmother had. with some Irish guy that we have zero blood connection with whatsoever. Now I'm with Clark. Carrie Robinson (08:24.797) And now you're a Clark. guess, yeah, welcome to Artificial Breakdown. We are live at Adventures. It's our very first live podcast ever, which is very exciting, and I think all the tech is working. Brown Eagle (08:29.25) Okay, guess, yeah, welcome to artificial breakdown. We are live at adventures. Right. Whoa. It's our very first live podcast ever. She's very excited and I think all the tech is working. Yeah. Ethan Clark (08:33.223) Okay, I guess. Ethan Clark (08:42.807) It's our very first live. Peter (08:43.43) Right, that's Yeah, you're you're lucky to be our guinea pigs in this situation Ethan Clark (08:46.03) and I think all the tech is working. Yeah, for your... So we have Brownieville Belanger and Stephen Clark, both from Patients First. And we are so excited to have you guys here. You were one of my first makes. I was like, who do you want to on the podcast? I like, these guys. Honored. Carrie Robinson (08:48.212) Yeah, you're lucky to be our guinea pigs in this situation. So we have Brown Eagle Belanger and Ethan Clark, both from Nations First. And we are so excited to have you guys here. You were one of my first picks when they were like, who do you want to have on the podcast? I was like, these guys. So I'm really pumped. And yeah, I guess to kick off, why don't we start with you? Because you. Brown Eagle (08:55.294) So we have Bernadigo von Lange and Steven Clarke, both who moved in first. And we are so excited to have you guys here, you know, on my first picks. they're like, who do want to have on the podcast? like, these guys. So I really pumped. And yeah, guess to kick off, why don't start with you. What have yous of found there? Peter (08:59.562) Ethan Clark, both from Nations First, we are so excited to have you guys here. You were one of my first picks. And they were like, who do you want to have on the podcast? like, these guys. Ethan Clark (09:12.91) And yeah, I guess to kick off, why don't we start with you? Because you, one of you is a founder. Correct, yes. Yes, sorry. So why don't we talk about how did First come to be? Yeah. So Nations First came to be. So I was, I have a background. I myself am Kul Salish, Squallum, Choets, and Douglas Shady descendant. And so it's a pretty unique sort of Peter (09:14.539) to kick off, why don't we start with you. What if you were a founder? Correct answer. Yes, sorry. So why don't we talk about how Nations First came to be? Yeah, Nations First came to be. So I have a background. I myself am Kholsailesh, Svalam Chaitse and Douglas Shady Descendant. So it's a pretty unique sort of piece of Carrie Robinson (09:18.166) or one of you is a founder. sorry. So why don't we talk about how did Nations First come to be? Nations First came to be. I have a background. I myself am Kul Salish, Squallum Choetson, Douglas, a descendant. It's a pretty unique piece of time in Indigenous history. Brown Eagle (09:20.922) Correct, that's correct. Yes, right. So why don't we talk about how Nations First came to be? Yeah, so Nations First came to be. So I have a background. I myself am Coast Salish, Squallam, Choets, and Douglas Treaty descendant. And so it's a pretty unique sort of piece of time in Indigenous history, was the assignment of Douglas Treaties. Ethan Clark (09:43.084) piece of time in Indigenous history was the signing of Douglas treaties. And my people had very distinct governance structures. We were sort of one of the only patrilineal and patriarchal Indigenous societies. And we had this piece of land on southern Vancouver Island. Peter (09:45.316) time in Indigenous history was the signing of the Douglas treaties and my people had very distinct governance structures. We were sort of one of the only patrilineal and patriarchal Indigenous societies and we had this piece of land on southern Vancouver Island. Carrie Robinson (09:47.41) was the signing of Douglas Treaties. And my people had very distinct governance structures. We were sort of one of the only patrilineal and patriarchal indigenous societies. And we had this piece of land on southern Vancouver Island. Brown Eagle (09:51.02) and my people had very distinct governance structures. We were sort of one of the only patrilineal and patriarchal indigenous societies. And we had this piece of land on southern Vancouver Island and very deep oceans, of course, we used for fishing. Ethan Clark (10:13.39) and very deep oceans, which of course we use for fishing. and, the military saw that the department of national defense saw that and said, wow, that would be an amazing place for our ships. So my great, great grandfather, high quad at the time, who was the CM, the spokesperson, the heads man or the, you know, the kind of hereditary chief, if you will. he had him and his, and his wife, Yatsu. Carrie Robinson (10:14.676) and very deep oceans, which of course we use for fishing. And the military saw that, the Department of National Defense saw that and said, wow, that would be an amazing place for our ships. Of course. So my great-great-grandfather, high-quadra at the time, who was the CM, was the spokesperson, the head man, the parochial chief, if you will. He had him and his wife, Yatsu. Peter (10:14.73) and very deep oceans, which of course we use for fishing. And the military saw that, the Department of National Defense saw that and said, wow, that would be an amazing place for our ships. So my great-great-grandfather, a high-pod for the time, who was the CM, was the spokesperson, the head man, the kind of hereditary chief, if you will. Brown Eagle (10:18.854) And the military saw that, the Department of National Defense saw that and said, wow, that would be an amazing place for our ships. So my great-great-grandfather, Hayekwa, who was the CM, the spokesperson, head of the the hereditary chief, if you will, he had him and his wife, Natsui, Peter (10:39.195) He had him and his wife, Yatsu. Ethan Clark (10:43.95) And of course we follow through the father side in our culture. was the outside belief and they had a bunch of children, including my grandmother, my great grandmother, her great grandfather, Josper Charles Tsuie. Around that time where he was sort of passing on the reins to Josper and the Brown Eagle (10:45.25) we follow through the father's side of So I believe that they had a bunch of children, including my grandmother and my great-grandmother, great-grandfather, Jasper Charles Tsu. Around that time, where he was sort of passing along the reins to Jasper and the Carrie Robinson (10:45.264) we follow through the father side of my culture. They had a bunch of children, including my grandmother, my great-grandmother, my great-grandfather, Jasper Charles Sooty. Around that time where he Peter (10:49.679) side the culture. They had a of children, including my grandmother, my great-grandmother, her great-grandfather, Jocester Charles Sui. Around that time, He was sort of passing on the reins to Jasper and the Indian Act was being implemented and there was some tragic accident in our ships and all of our men died. It was a very vulnerable time for our people. And we were sort of our, my... Carrie Robinson (11:08.884) was sort of passing on the reins to Jasper and the Indian Act was being implemented. There was some tragic accident in our ships and all of our men died. It was a very vulnerable time for our people. And we were sort of our, my... Ethan Clark (11:13.454) Indian Act was being implemented and there was some tragic accident in our ships and all of our men died and it very vulnerable time for our people. we were sort of our, my sort of ancestors were the only ones that really survived from that. You know, of course there was the smallpox and the residential schools and the Indian hospitals and all these sorts of things that were coming in. And actually at that time the Spanish were coming in and saying, Brown Eagle (11:13.496) Indian Act was being implemented and there was some tragic accident in our ships. of our men died. It was a very vulnerable time for our people. we were sort of our, my sort of ancestors were the only ones that really survived from that. And of course it was the small publics and the residential schools, the Indian hospitals and all these sorts of things that were coming in. And actually at that time the Spanish were going in the same. Peter (11:30.035) sort of ancestors were the only ones that really survived from that. You know, of course, it the smallpox and the residential schools, Indian hospitals, and all these sorts of things that were coming in. And actually, at that time, the Spanish were coming in and saying that what they first noticed was bodies lining the shore, because so many people had lost their lives at that time. Carrie Robinson (11:30.068) sort of ancestors were the only ones that really survived from that. You know, of course it was the smallpox and the residential schools, the Indian hospitals and all these sorts of things that were coming in. And actually at that time the Spanish were coming in and saying that what they first noticed was bodies lining the shore. Wow. many people had lost their lives at that time. Brown Eagle (11:42.79) that what they first noticed was bodies lining the shore. So many people had lost their lives at that time. And that was before, that was just before contact. Our people were barely in contact. And so it was a very difficult time for our people. And essentially we got wiped off of the map. And, you know, of course the Department of National Defense built all of the land around us to remove us. They built gates. Ethan Clark (11:42.808) that what they first noticed was bodies lining the shore because so many people had lost their lives at that time. And that was before, like that was just before contact. Our people were barely in contact. And so it was a very difficult time for our people. And essentially we got wiped off of the map. And, you know, of course the Department of National Defense built all the land around us to remove us. Gates. Peter (11:49.961) And that was before, like that was just before contact. Our people were barely in contact. And so it was a very difficult time for our people. And essentially we got wiped off of the map. you know, of course the Department of National Defense built all the land around us to remove us. they built gates and they forcefully moved us. And my great-grandfather... Carrie Robinson (11:50.108) And that was before, like that was just before contact. Our people were barely in contact. And so it was a very difficult time for our people. And essentially we got wiped off of the map. And... You know, of course, the Department of National Defense built all the land around us to remove us. they built gates and they forcefully removed us. And my great grandfather, Jasper, he sued them for what was the equivalent of $24 million. Of course, he wasn't a lawyer at the time, just because of the Indian Act. And so he got a priest to represent him in court. And they won. They won about what was the equivalent of... Ethan Clark (12:11.63) They forcefully removed us and my great grandfather, Josper Asui, he sued them for was the equivalent of $24 million. Of course, he wasn't allowed to have a lawyer at the time, just because of the Indian Act. And so he got a priest to represent him in court and they won. They won about what was the equivalent of that $24 million, $28 million. Yeah, for a loss of use of the land, but he leaves. Brown Eagle (12:11.654) They forcefully removed us and my great-grandfather, Josper, he sued them for was the equivalent of $24 million. Of course, he was not a lawyer at time, just because of the Indian Act. And so he got a priest to represent him in court and they won. They won what was the equivalent of about $24 million, $28 million for law enforcement to the land. But he leaves. Peter (12:16.997) He sued them for is the equivalent of $24 million. Of course, he wasn't one to... Just because of the Indian Act. so he got a priest to represent him in court. And they won. They won about what was equal to about 24,000 million dollars. Yeah, for a loss of use to the land. But he leaves the court case, him and his wife and his friend. His wife was celebrating. They were driving and he gets run off of the road by a drunk driver. was this? This was in about 19... Carrie Robinson (12:34.196) That's amazing. Yeah, for loss of use of the land. But he leaves the court case, him and his wife and his friend, his wife were celebrating. They're driving and he gets run off of the road by a drunk driver. Whoa. This was in about 1948. Holy smokes. Somewhere in between that. Who just happens to be an employee of the Department of National Defense. Ethan Clark (12:40.27) court case, him and his wife and his friend and his wife were celebrating and they were driving and he gets run off of the road by a drunk driver who just so happened, this was in about 1948, 56, somewhere in between there, who just happens to be an employee of the Department of National Defense killing him. And of course his family was displaced and our people were Brown Eagle (12:40.364) court case, him and his wife and his friend, his wife were celebrating and they were driving and he gets run off the road by a drunk driver. This was in about 1948, somewhere between that, who just happens to be an employee of the Department of National Defense, killing him. And of course his family was displaced and our people were Peter (12:56.808) Okay, somewhere in between there who just happens to be an employee of the Department of National Defense Killing him and of course his family was displaced and our people were basically eradicated Our language was gone our people were gone our governance structures were gone or lineage of leadership was gone And so years ago when I found out I going to be father I said I'm gonna Carrie Robinson (13:04.149) killing him and of course his family was displaced and our people were basically eradicated. Our language was gone, our people were gone, our governance structures were gone, our lineage of leadership was gone. And so years ago when I found out I going to be father I said I'm going to move back and I'm going to go back. Brown Eagle (13:10.438) basically eradicated. Our language was gone, our people were gone, our governance structures were gone, our lineage of leadership was gone. And so years ago when I I was going to be a father, I said, I'm going to move back and I'm going to go back and take my land. that's what I did. Went there, went up a quay, wrote an acre, trapped probably four acres of land and just said, this is home. And really ingrained myself into this culture. Ethan Clark (13:10.456) basically eradicated. Our language was gone, our people were gone, our governance structures were gone, our lineage of leadership was gone. And so years ago when I found I was going to be a father, I said, I'm going to move back and I'm going to go back and take my land. And that's what I did. I went there, I cleared about an acre, probably about four acres of land and just said, this is home. And really ingrained myself into this, into this culture. Peter (13:27.016) move back and I'm going to go back and take my land. that's what I did. I went there, I cleared about an acre, probably four acres of land and just said, this is home. Wow. And really ingrained myself into this, into this culture. Uh, you know, when the big house every day did everything that I, you know, to sort of support that and really just learned the thing that I, know, I'd always kind of been that big house was a kid, but never really. Carrie Robinson (13:30.824) went there I cleared a maker probably four acres of land. And just like, is home and really ingrained myself into this, into this culture. You know, when the big house every day did everything that I, you know, to sort of support that and really just learned the thing that I, you know, I'd always kind of been in that big house as a kid, but never really entrenched in it like that. And the governance aspect was what really caught my attention. Just the way that we had our own economic systems, we had our own governance structures, had our ways of living with the land. Brown Eagle (13:40.55) I went into the big house every day, did everything that I, you know, to sort of support that and really just learned the thing that I, you know, I'd always been in that big house as a kid, but never really entrenched in it like that. And the governance aspect was what really caught my attention and just the way that we had our own economic systems, we had our own governance structures, we had our ways of building the land. And it was all there, it was all alive in the big house. Ethan Clark (13:40.736) you know, went into the big house every day, did everything that I, know, to sort of support that and really just learned the thing that I, you know, I'd always kind of been in the big house as a kid, but never really entrenched in it like that. And the governance aspect was what really caught my attention and just the way that we had our own economic systems, we had our own governance structures, we had our ways of living with the land and it was all there and it was all alive in the big house. but once you leave it, it was gone. Peter (13:54.248) And the governance aspect was what really caught my attention, just the way that we had our own economic systems, had our own governance structures, we had our ways of living with the land. And it was all there, it was all alive in the big house. But once you leave it, it's gone, and it's the Indian Act, it's the governance, corruption, it's all these things. I remember way back when I was doing the whole... Carrie Robinson (14:04.608) was all there, was all alive in the big house. But once you leave it, was gone. And it's the Indian Act, it's the government, the corruption, it's all these things. I remember way back when I was doing the whole sort of Ethereum and mining and trading of other altcoins and buying Bitcoin. Brown Eagle (14:08.774) But once you leave it, it's gone. And it's the Indian act, it's governance, it's corruption, it's all these things. I remember way back when I was doing the whole sort of Ethereum and mining and trading of other altcoins and buying Bitcoin. I just kind of remember the technology. It didn't have much of a utility back then from what I remember, but I... Just kind of something interesting to be part of. Yeah. And I thought, well... Ethan Clark (14:10.158) And it's the Indian act, it's the governance, the corruption, it's all these things. I, I remembered way back when I was doing the whole sort of Ethereum mining and trading of other altcoins and buying Bitcoin. just kind of remembered the technology. It didn't have much of a utility back then from what I remember, but I, yeah. Yeah. And I thought, well, we need our own value systems. We need. Peter (14:18.564) sort of Ethereum mining and trading of other altcoins and buying Bitcoin. just kind of remember the technology. It didn't have much of a utility back then from what I remember, but I Carrie Robinson (14:24.916) just kind of remember the technology. It didn't have much of a utility back then, from what I remember. Just kind of something interesting to be a part of. Yeah, and I thought, well... Peter (14:30.108) just kind of something interesting to be part of. Yeah, I thought, well, we need our own value systems. We need to manage our own data and own our own data. We need all of these things that this technology really embodies in order to bring that sort of big host culture, that value system, that literal ledger that we have in Brown Eagle (14:36.432) We need our own value systems. We need to manage our own data and own our own data. We need all of these things that this technology really embodies in order to bring that sort of big house culture, that value system, that literal ledger that we have in the big house. And we need to bring that back into our communities. And so, you know, I how do we bring this? This is a huge... Carrie Robinson (14:36.446) We need our own value systems. We need to manage our own data and own our own data. We need all of these things that this technology really embodies in order to bring that sort of big house culture, that value system, that literal ledger that we have in the big house, and we need to bring that back into our communities. And so, you know, I how do we bring this up? This is a huge, like, this is something that's Ethan Clark (14:40.497) to manage your own data and own our own data. We need all of these things that this technology really embodies in order to bring that sort of big house culture, that value system, that literal ledger that we have in the big house. And we need to bring that back into our communities. And so, you know, I thought, how do we bring this up? This is a huge, like, this is something that's new. Peter (14:56.039) and we need to bring that back into our communities. And so, you know, I how do we bring this up? This is a huge, like, this is something that's new, it's well, it's disruptive and it's difficult to innovate into people's lives, especially, you know, our communities where people are living off of $400 a month. They don't have internet. don't have... Brown Eagle (15:05.082) Like this is something that's new, it's well, it's disruptive and it's difficult to innovate into people's lives, especially in our communities where people are living off of $400 a month. They don't have internet, they don't have laptops, they don't have cell phones oftentimes. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity and so we said, all right, let's create a bank. Let's create a decentralized bank. interesting. Yeah. Carrie Robinson (15:06.39) new, it's it's disruptive and it's difficult to innovate into people's lives, especially, you know, our communities where people are living off of $400 a month. They don't have internet, they don't have laptops, they don't have cell phones oftentimes. You know, there isn't a whole lot of opportunity and so we said, all right, let's create a Let's create a decentralized bank. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And, you know, start Ethan Clark (15:07.5) Well, it's disruptive and it's difficult to innovate into people's lives, especially, you know, our communities where people are living off of $400 a month. don't have internet. They don't have laptops. They don't have cell phones. Oftentimes, you know, there isn't a whole lot of opportunity. And so we said, all right, let's create a bank. Let's create a decentralized bank. Peter (15:20.261) Laptops, they don't have cell phones oftentimes. There isn't a whole lot of opportunity. So we said, all right, let's create a bank. Let's create a decentralized bank. Interesting. Yeah. And start promoting community ownership of our assets and where money is an oversight and that sort of thing. And we did that. Ethan Clark (15:35.15) and start promoting community ownership of our assets and of our monies and oversight and that sort of thing. And we did that and the margins were just not there and it didn't work. Unfortunately, the problem that we were solving was, which was a huge problem, 50 % of our people are either unbanked or underbanked. This is how we met because I'm like, I need co-conspirators here at the table to do this. Brown Eagle (15:35.174) and start promoting community ownership of our assets and of our money and oversight and that sort of thing. And we did that and the margins were just not there and it didn't work. Unfortunately, the problem that we were solving was, which is a huge problem, 50 % of our people. Carrie Robinson (15:36.262) promoting community ownership of our assets and of our money and oversight and that sort of thing. And you know we did that and the margins were just not there and it didn't work you know unfortunately the problem that we were solving was just a huge problem you know 50 % working for our other underbanked underbanked. This is how we met because I'm like I need co-conspirators here at the table to do this. Yeah so how did you get involved with Nations First then? Yeah absolutely. Peter (15:45.159) were just not there and it didn't work. Unfortunately, the problem that we were solving was just a huge problem. 50 % of our people are unbanked and underbanked. This is how we met because I'm like, need co-conspirators at the table to do this. So how did you get involved with Nations First Bank? Yeah, absolutely. I've been in blockchain space for seven years now. Brown Eagle (15:54.532) This is how we met because I'm like, need co-conspirators here at the table to do this. Yeah, absolutely. I've been in a blockchain space for like seven years now. I come from more of a community perspective level to it. And I attempted to create my own blockchain startup, the Colonist Capital. know, being a 60s group survivor, born into the systems I really Ethan Clark (16:05.102) Yeah, totally. I think you do not watch his videos. Ethan Clark (16:15.63) blockchain startup, people in its capital. Being a 62nd provider, born into systems, really understood their operational efficiencies. I was literally one of those kids that wasn't able to succeed because of not enough funding or staff, which is typical social gaps in the systems. So it led me to obviously live more of darker experiences in life and really live in that indigenous life. Carrie Robinson (16:15.828) startup, to call it its capital. Being a 60 scoop survivor. Peter (16:16.901) capital. being a 60s group survivor, bone into these systems that really understood their operational efficiency. I always lived with kids that wasn't able to succeed because there was not enough funding or enough staff or just typical social gaps in the systems, right? So then it led me to obviously live in more darker experiences in life and really live in that indigenous life, right? And getting out of that lifestyle, Carrie Robinson (16:22.014) born into these systems, really just did their operational efficiencies. Like I was literally one of the kids that wasn't able to succeed because there was not enough funding or enough staff or just typical social gaps in the systems, right? So then it led me to obviously like living more darker experiences in life and really living that indigenous life, right? And getting out of that lifestyle, getting to become a leader in the community, Brown Eagle (16:24.644) understood their operational efficiencies. Like I was literally one of the kids that wasn't able to succeed because there was not enough funding or understaffed or just typical social gaps in the systems, right? So then it led me to obviously like living more darker experiences in life and really living that Indigenous life, right? And getting out of that lifestyle, getting to become a leader in the community through psychology. Ethan Clark (16:45.064) And getting that lifestyle, getting to become a leader in community through psychology, getting my business studies, getting a psychology degree. And I really noticed a lot of the social gaps within English communities and financial gaps because they're of money more rather than getting a bank account more. And so the financial, there's a predatory services because they're holding value against the value. Peter (16:49.057) Right. Carrie Robinson (16:51.958) through psychology, I'm getting my Indigenous studies to a psychology degree. And I really noticed a lot of social gaps within Indigenous communities and financial gaps because they're going to a money mark rather than getting a bank account. And so the financial, these are predatory services because they hold their value against you to receive any value. So I saw that and I was like, man, blockchain can really solve that with the special properties that it holds, especially with AI as well. And so I attempted to create my own blockchain startup and really address this, right? Brown Eagle (16:53.05) I understand getting my Indigenous studies through getting my psychology degree. And I really noticed a lot of social gaps within Indigenous communities and financial gaps because they're going to money mark rather than getting a bank account. so the financial, there's a predatory services because they hold their value against you to receive any value. So I saw that and I was like, man, blockchain can really solve that with the special properties that it holds, right, especially with AI as well. And so I've attempted to create my own blockchain startup and really address this, right, and create digital ID. Ethan Clark (17:11.982) So I saw that, and I'm watching the community solve that with the special properties that hold this, right, especially with AI as well. And so I attempted to create my own blockchain startup and really address that, right, did IT. And that led me to organization more, right, and to be able to specialize in organization. And so I grew up in the States, more providing the technology, the education, just those conversations, really kind of plant the seeds. It's an open source protocol, it's a financial revolution. Peter (17:18.883) my own blockchain startup and really address this right and create digital ID. That led me to tokenization more right and to be able to specialize in tokenization and so I grew up in a space more providing the technology, the education, just those conversations really trying to plant the seeds. You know it's an open source protocol with this financial revolution. have the indigenous people I feel like we have the push now and so we're able to create our fundamental infrastructure that's how I met with Carrie Robinson (17:21.958) ID now let me do tokenization more right and to be able to specialize in tokenization and so I grew up in a space where Brown Eagle (17:22.822) And that led me to tokenization more, right? And to be able to specialize in tokenization. And so I grew up in a space more providing the technology, the education, just those conversations, really trying to plant the seeds. It's an open source protocol with this financial revolution. have indigenous people feel like we have a pedal to push now. And so we're able to create our fundamental infrastructure. And that's how I met with Ethan and he had a big... Carrie Robinson (17:30.708) providing the technology, the education, just those conversations where they kind of plant the seeds. You know, it's an open source protocol with this financial revolution. have an indigenous people, feel like we have a pedal to push now. And so we're able to create our fundamental infrastructure. And that's how I met with Ethan and he had, know, big, big, big vision. And I was like, that's ABCs to me. I love this. Yeah. Yeah. I can see how those words mesh well. Yeah. Ethan Clark (17:41.038) It's just people feel like they have to help push now. And so we're able to do their funding, that infrastructure. That's what I meant with Ethan and, you know, big, big vision. that's ABC to me. love it. When we came across each other, I'm like, wow, we are like the same person, same background, same vision, same. was, it clicked. It was great. Peter (17:47.8) Yeah, so one question just springs to mind immediately because you mentioned like Brown Eagle (17:49.862) big vision, that's ABCs to me, I love this. It's gonna be crazy to be like this for me. Absolutely. When we do across each other, I'm like, wow, we are like the same person, same background, same vision, same, it clicked, it was great. Yeah, you can tell it's very similar questions. One question, strings to mind, access Carrie Robinson (18:07.488) Yeah, you can tell it's very similar passions. Ethan Clark (18:17.6) access to technology. I'm about blockchain. Blockchain is as a user extremely complicated to the point where I have crypto somewhere that I can't access. How do you balance that? All through the comment of a story for sure. I think it's, know, I think there's, and obviously with the crypto wallet, for example, Peter (18:17.867) access to technology limited and all that. And then you're talking about a blockchain bank. Look, blockchain to me is as a user, extremely complicated to the point where I have crypto somewhere that I can't access because I lost my encryption codes and stuff like that. how do you balance that with the community? Brown Eagle (18:19.686) and you talked about blockchain and bank. Blockchain to me is, as a user, extremely complicated to the point where I have crypto somewhere that I can't access. I have crypto codes and stuff like that. How do you balance that with the development of the story, for sure? So I think there's, obviously with the crypto wallet, for example. Carrie Robinson (18:21.716) blockchain to me is as a user extremely complicated to the point where I have crypto somewhere that I can't access my encryption codes and stuff like that. how do you balance that? I'll comment on the story for sure. So I think it's, you know, think there's obviously with the crypto wallet, example, people, there's, I mean, there's what 60 million reported users in Canada. Brown Eagle (18:45.958) people, there's what, 60 million reported users in Canada? Over 40 million people? Like, that doesn't make sense. I mean, I can look at myself and I'd have about at least six wallets in my phone. And I'm not much of a crypto user as, you know, most of the, well, at least within the general crypto market. And I think it's the same story for a lot of people. People get into the, into the hype of it and make all these wallets and do all this. Ethan Clark (18:45.966) people, there's, I mean, there's what 60 million reported users in Canada, over 40 million people. Like that doesn't make sense. I mean, I can look at myself and I have about at least six wallets in my phone and I'm not much of a crypto user as you know, most of the, well, at least within the general crypto market. and I think it's the same story for a lot of people and people get into the, into the hype of it and make all these wallets and do all this. Peter (18:45.99) people, there's what, 60 million reported users in Canada? Over 40 million people? Like, that doesn't make sense. I mean, I can look at myself and I have about at least six wallets in my phone. And I'm not much of a crypto user as most of the, well, at least within the general crypto market. Carrie Robinson (18:52.052) 40 million people. Like... That doesn't make sense. I mean, I can look at myself and I have about at least six wallets in my phone and I'm not much of a crypto user as you know, right? Most of the well, at least within the general crypto market. Um, and I think it's the same story for a lot of people. People get into the, into the hype of it and make all these wallets and do all this stuff. But the usability is just not there and the real world application is just not yet there. And so this is where Peter (19:09.206) And I think it's the same story for a lot of people and people get into the into the hype of it make all these bullets and do all this stuff the usability is just not there and the real-world application is just not yet there and so This is where it becomes interesting sort of the overlap Ethan Clark (19:15.734) the stuff, but the usability is just not there and the real world application is just not yet there. And so this is where it becomes interesting, sort of the overlap between blockchain and AI. There is a learning gap. There is an area within blockchain that is difficult to understand. And there is hand holding that actually needs to be done with how the technology operates today. Brown Eagle (19:15.738) the stuff, the usability is just not there and the real world application is just not yet there. And so this is where it becomes interesting, sort of the overlap between blockchain and AI. There is a learning gap, there is an area within blockchain that is difficult to understand. There's handholding that actually needs to be done with how the technology operates today. Carrie Robinson (19:25.606) becomes interesting, sort of the overlap between blockchain and AI. Peter (19:30.969) blockchain and AI. There is a learning gap. There is an area within blockchain that is difficult to understand. There's hand holding that actually needs to be done with how the technology operates today. And so what we've been really doing, and that's kind of the pivot that we took was what is a large enough problem to address with a large enough market? Carrie Robinson (19:33.96) There is a learning gap. There is an area within blockchain that is difficult to understand. There's hand-holding that actually needs to be done with how the technology operates today. And so what we've been really doing, and that's kind of the pivot that we took was what is a large enough problem to address with a large enough market? Brown Eagle (19:46.118) And so what we've been really doing, and that's kind of the pivot that we took was what is a large enough problem to address with a large enough market that is something that people can just get with, just understand. And so that was the resource market for our people. We're so at work where, you know, we are so impacted by, you know, the Ethan Clark (19:46.306) and so what we've been really doing, and that's kind of the pivot that we took was what is a large enough problem to address with a large enough market? that is something that people can just get with, just understand. And so that was the resource market for our people were so at work where, you know, we are so impacted by, you know, the Carrie Robinson (20:00.09) that is something that people can just get with, just understand. And so that was the resource market for our people. We're so at work, we're, you know, we are so impacted by, you know, the critical minerals, metals, and just the general natural resource industry, energy industry, and all of these sorts of things. They happened within our last Peter (20:00.153) that is something that people can just get with, just understand. And so that was the resource market for our people. We are so impacted by the critical minerals, metals, and just the general natural resource industry, energy industry, and all of these sorts of things. They happen within our Brown Eagle (20:15.302) critical minerals, metals, just the general natural resource industry and energy industry and all of these sorts of things. They happen within our lands and just globally, we control about or manage at least 25 % of the world's landmass. We protect over 80 % of the world's biodiversity and that is a big responsibility. Absolutely. Ethan Clark (20:15.31) critical minerals and metals and just the general natural resource industry and energy industry and all of these sorts of things. They happen within our lands, know, just globally, I mean, we control about or manage at least 25 % of the world's landmass. We protect over 80 % of the world's biodiversity. And that is a big responsibility. Carrie Robinson (20:27.732) you know, just globally, we control, or manage at least 25 % of the world's landmass. We protect over 80 % of the world's biodiversity. And that is a big responsibility. Absolutely. And there is so much going against that today. And what is, what these industries rely on, what they bet on is the fact that we're Peter (20:27.748) you know, we just globally, we control about or manage at least 25 % of the world's landmass. We protect over 80 % of the world's biodiversity and that is a big responsibility. Absolutely. And there is so much going against that today and what is, what these industries rely on, what they... Ethan Clark (20:43.31) And there is so much going against that today. what is what these industries rely on, what they they bet on is the fact that we're not going to be educated enough and we're not going to have the capacity in order to make the right decisions. And so that's where I find there's a huge opportunity to really combine these technologies. So what we do is we gather all this data around resources and Brown Eagle (20:43.93) There is so much going against that today. what what these industries rely on, what they bet on is the fact that we're not going to be educated enough and we're not going to the capacity in order to make the right decisions. And so that's where I find there's a huge opportunity to really combine these technologies. So what we do is we gather all this data around resources and Peter (20:52.259) they bet on is the fact that we're not going to be educated enough and we're not going to have the capacity in order to make the right decisions. And so that's where I find there's a huge opportunity to really combine these technologies. So what we do is we gather all this data around resources and you know. Carrie Robinson (20:56.692) in order to make the right decisions. And so that's where I find there's a huge opportunity to really combine these technologies. So what we do is we gather all this data around resources and all these nature-based assets. So things that people were investing to. Gold, copper is what we're doing right now, but also looking at other things like energy infrastructure, housing, we all these different sort of land-based developments. And then combine that Ethan Clark (21:11.458) you know, all these, these nature-based assets. So things that people were investing to, know, gold, copper is what we're doing right now, but also looking at other things like energy infrastructure, could do housing, you could do all these different sort of land-based developments. And then combine that with all the data, all the data around the biodiversity, the carbon, soil, the water, and make that one investable fractionalized asset. Brown Eagle (21:11.462) you know, all these nature-based assets, so things that people would invest into, know, gold, copper is what we're doing right now, but also looking at other things like energy infrastructure, housing, do all these different sort of land-based developments, and then combine that with all the data, all the data around biodiversity, the carbon, soil, water, and make that one investable fraction-wise asset. Not only can people invest in Peter (21:11.844) these nature-based assets. So things that people would invest into. know, gold, copper is what we're doing right now, but also looking at other things like energy infrastructure, housing, do all these different sort of land-based developments and then combine that with all the data, all the data around the biodiversity, the carbon, the soil, the water and make that one investable fractionalized asset. Not only can people invest into that, but they can Carrie Robinson (21:26.746) with all the data, all the data around the biodiversity, the carbon, the soil, the water, and make that one investable fractionalized asset. Not only can people invest into that, but the communities can actually interact with that data, ask questions around that data to see what is the real impact of this industry on our community. Right? Wow. And not only that, Ethan Clark (21:39.246) Not only can people invest into that, but the communities can actually interact with that data, ask questions around that data to see what is the real impact of this industry on our community. Right. And not only that, but we gather all of this data around what is the, what is the value of a fish versus a salmon versus a dollar, right? It's going to be different in every community. can say that. I mean, a moose in my community is nothing because we don't have moose. You know, but. Brown Eagle (21:41.19) but the communities actually interact with that data, ask questions around that data to see what is the real impact of this industry on our community. Right. not only that, but we gathered all of this data around what is the value of a fish versus a salmon versus a dollar, right? It's going to be different in every community. can say that, I mean, a moose in my community is nothing, so we don't have a moose. But we have a lot of salmon. Peter (21:41.75) communities can actually interact with that data, ask questions from that data to see what is the real impact of this industry on our community. Not only that, but we gather all of this data around what is the value of a fish versus a salmon versus a dollar. It's going to be different in every community. can say that. mean, a moose in my community is nothing because I don't have a moose. But we have a lot of salmon, but I own salmon and we've had some big impacts. I go out and I can catch 25 salmon a day, but all of sudden the whale watchers, the whale watchers, come around. Carrie Robinson (21:55.38) this data around what is the value of a fish versus a salmon versus a dollar, right? It's gonna be different in every community. I can say that, I mean, a moose in my community is nothing, because we don't have moose. But we have a lot of salmon and we rely on salmon and we've had some big impacts. I go out and I catch 25 salmon a day, but all of a sudden the whale watchers, the whale watch and boats come around. Ethan Clark (22:09.134) We have a lot of salmon and we rely on salmon and we've had some big impacts. You know, I go out and I catch 25 salmon a day, but all of sudden the whale watchers or the whale, yeah, the whale watching boats come around, scare off all the orcas. The orcas are gone. The steel's overpopulate. They eat all the salmon. Now I can't catch it. One single fish. And I'm out for the entire day. Right. Creates again, a bird $400 monthly sort of salary, sort of income in our community. Right. We rely on that, on that salmon. Brown Eagle (22:10.694) and we rely on salmon and we've had some big impacts. You know, I could go out and I could catch 25 salmon in a day, but all of sudden the whale watchers, or the whale, yeah, the whale watchers, come around, scare off all the orcas, the orcas are gone, the seals overpopulate, they eat all the salmon, now I can't catch one single fish. And I'm out for the entire day, right? It creates, again, a bird, $400 monthly sort of income in our community, right? We rely on that salmon, right? Peter (22:20.196) scare off all the orcas, the orcas are gone, the seals overpopulate, they eat all the salmon, now I can't catch it. One single fish and I'm out for the entire day. Right. Creates again, we're $400 monthly sort of salary, sort of income in our community. Right. We rely on that on that salmon. Right. So what we've been developing is kind of early stages is these valuation models, you know, using AI, using LLMs, but actually putting value based on the community's feedback. Carrie Robinson (22:20.212) scare off all the orcas, the orcas are gone, the seals overpopulate, they eat all the salmon, now I can't catch it. One single fish, and I'm out for the entire day. It creates, again, we're a $400 monthly sort of income in our community, right? We rely on that, on that salmon. Right? So what we've been developing is kind of early stages, is these valuation models, you know, using AI, using LLMs, of actually putting value based on the community's feedback. Ethan Clark (22:38.924) Right? So what we've been developing, it's kind of early stages is these valuation models, you know, using AI, using LLMs of actually putting value based on the community's feedback to understand how to better develop our economies that are actually based off of the land that are very place-based and just interacting with that data in general, being able to ask these sorts of questions and not have these consultants come in and tell you what's what. Brown Eagle (22:39.792) What we've been developing is kind of early stages is these valuation models, you know, using AI, using LLMs, of actually putting value based on the community's feedback to understand how to better develop our economies that are actually based off of the net, that are very place-based. And just interacting with that data in general, being able to ask these sorts of questions and not have these consultants come in and tell you what's what and... Peter (22:50.149) to understand how to better develop our economies that are actually based off of the land that are very place-based. And just interacting with that data in general, being able to ask these sorts of questions and not have these consultants come in and tell you what's what and give you your few options and what you can do. And you're not given any of the information. We talk about free prior informed consent. Carrie Robinson (22:50.166) to understand how to better develop our economies that are actually based off of the land that are very place-based and just interacting with that data in general, being able to ask these sorts of questions and not have these consultants come in and tell you what's what and give you your few options and what you can do. You don't give in any of the information. We talk about free prior informed consent. Ethan Clark (23:09.0) and give you your few options and what you can do. And you don't, you don't give any of the information. We talk about free prior informed consent, so much in our communities, but it's, you know, it's not free. It's not, it's not informed. It's, it's, know, the prior is like the day before the decision is made. And I don't know where the consent comes in. It's, you know, these are, these are opportunities to really gather that data and give it back to the community so they can really make these decisions. Brown Eagle (23:09.508) give you your few options and what you can do. don't, you know, I'm giving anything. I'm talking about free prior informed consent. So much in our communities, but it's, you know, it's not free. It's not informed. It's, you know, the prior is like the day before the decision is made. I don't know where the consent comes in. It's, you know, these are opportunities to really gather that data and give it back to the community so they can really make these decisions. Carrie Robinson (23:17.232) so much in our communities, but it's, you know, it's not free. It's not, it's not informed. It's, it's, you know, the prior is like the day before the decision is made. And I don't know where the consent comes in. It's, you know, these are opportunities to really gather that data and give back to the community so they can really make these decisions. Yeah. love that. I love that idea of just like having that education and having that information available for people so that when somebody Peter (23:17.247) so much in our communities, but it's, you know, it's not free. It's not, it's not informed. It's, know, the prior is like the day before the decision is made. I don't know where the consent comes in. It's, you know, these are, these are opportunities to really gather that data and give it back to the community so can really. decisions and guide them through the use of technologies. I love that idea of just having that education and having that information available for people so that when somebody comes in and says here's what we're gonna do, somebody's like yes. I think that's what's gonna happen. It's like no, this is the reality of the situation and I'm aware of it. Brown Eagle (23:38.67) Yeah, I love And guide them through the use of technologies. I love the idea of just having that education and having that information available for people so that when somebody comes in and says, here's what we're going to do, somebody is not just like, I guess. Yeah. It's like, no, this is the reality of situation and I'm aware of it and you're aware that let's talk about it. I've been yelled at by these lawyers and consultants for asking the wrong questions to them in our community meetings. Ethan Clark (23:38.67) and guide them through the use of technologies. been yelled at by these lawyers and consultants for asking the wrong questions to them in our community meetings. Carrie Robinson (23:47.138) comes in and says, here's what we're going to do. Somebody's not just like, I guess that's what's going to happen. It's like, no, this isn't the reality of the situation and I'm aware of it and you're aware of it. Let's talk about it. I've been yelled at by these lawyers and consultants for asking the wrong questions to them in our community meetings. We have not had a community meeting in 20 years in my town. Peter (23:59.587) I've been yelled at by these lawyers and consultants for asking the wrong questions to them in our community meetings. We have not had a community meeting in 20 years in my town. 20 years. Right. The only time I get it... Ethan Clark (24:08.142) We have not had a community meeting in 20 years in my town. Brown Eagle (24:08.184) We have not had a community meeting in 20 years in my town. 20 years, right? The only time they get it, which was not even technically legally a community meeting, was when they set up the whole system, put everybody on the stage, which was all the key folks and lawyers and blah, blah, blah, around a treaty process. I'm fighting very hard right now. And there was no open mic, you not allowed to ask questions. was, yeah, no, it's like... Ethan Clark (24:16.398) 20 years, the only time they did it, which was not even technically legally a community meeting was when they went in, they had the set up the whole system, put everybody on the stage, which was all the, you know, kind of key folks and lawyers and blah, blah, blah, around a treaty process system that I'm fighting very hard right now. And you weren't, there was no open mic. You were not allowed to ask questions. was, yeah, no, it's like. Carrie Robinson (24:16.436) 20 years. The only time they did it, which was not even technically legally a community meeting, was when they set up the whole system, put everybody on the stage, which was all the key folks and lawyers and blah blah blah, around a treaty process system that I'm fighting very hard right now. And you weren't allowed to. Peter (24:20.93) which was not even technically legally community meeting was like when they had they set up the whole system, put everybody on the stage, which was all the key folks and lawyers and blah, blah, blah around a treaty process system that I'm very hard right now. And you are not, there was no open mic. You're not allowed to ask questions. was, yeah, no, it's like, there's no way to know what's happening. Carrie Robinson (24:41.46) questions. There's no way to know what's happening. Unless you're going and looking for it and making it known to yourself. And that can be pretty hard if they're trying to hide it. It can be dangerous. There's one kind of funny story I always like to refer to. My father's been a big fighter in the political space and even within our community. And one day he goes in and we have the data room which is the bad office. Brown Eagle (24:44.966) There's no way to know what's happening. Unless you're going and looking for it and making it known to yourself. Yeah. And that can be pretty hard. It can be dangerous. Yeah. It can be dangerous. mean, there's one kind of story I would refer to. My father's been a big fighter in the political space and even within our community. And one day he goes and we have the data room, is, you know, in the band office, just stacks of papers, right? Ethan Clark (24:44.974) There's no way to know what's happening. it can be dangerous. It can be dangerous. mean, it's, uh, there's one kind of funny story I always like to refer to. My father's been a big fighter in the political space and even within our own community. And one day he goes in and we have the data room, which is, know, in the band office, it's a just stacks of papers, right? Peter (24:49.506) Unless you're going and looking for it and making it onto yourself. Yeah. And that can be pretty hard, but you're trying to hide it. It can be dangerous. Yeah. It can be dangerous. mean, it's there's one kind of funny story I always like to refer to. My father's been a big fighter in the political space and even within our community. And one day he goes in and we have the data room, which is, you know, the band office. It's just stacks of acres, right? Nobody's looked at collecting dust, but he goes in and they're trying to audit the community and the Carrie Robinson (25:11.714) Just stacks of papers, right? Nobody's looked at collecting doubts. He goes in there trying to audit the community and the of the certain leaderships Brothers was walking around the the wet stone and a buck knife just circling Ethan Clark (25:13.934) nobody's looked at collecting dust when he goes in there trying to audit the community and the one of the certain leaderships brothers was walking around with a wet stone and a buck knife just circling you know talk about transparency yeah so uh so you Brown Eagle (25:13.998) nobody's looked at collecting dust. He goes in there trying to audit the community and be one of the certain leaderships. Rather, he's just walking around with a whetstone and a buck man just circling, you know? Peter (25:19.872) certain leaderships, rather as walking around with a wet stone and a buck knife, just circling, you know? Not threatening at all. Carrie Robinson (25:42.176) So we're using AI, obviously, to do a lot of this. And even the prehistoric data, like those papers, is all that coming in as well? And then you're using that to find patterns and bring it all together. How is working with AI, who's doing that, and how are you finding that? We mentioned a little bit of... Peter (25:42.622) So you're using AI obviously to do a lot of this and like even the pre like historic data, like those papers, is all that coming in as well or, and that find patterns and bring it all together. How is, how is working with AI, who's doing that and how are you finding that? We mentioned a little bit of, you know, bias within AI, especially around the community too. So your experience is working with that. has that been? Brown Eagle (25:45.126) do know a of this. Like you can create like this board game, like papers, all that. Ethan Clark (25:45.144) do a lot of this, like even creating like historic video, like the figures are in this all action as well. Brown Eagle (25:52.887) on. How's work from an AI who's doing that? How are you finding that? Carrie Robinson (26:01.724) bias within AI, especially around the community too. your experiences working with that, how's that been? I think it's like that's why we built. We built from the ground up. We built it. didn't go on. So you're not connected to any other AI systems. You're just using your data. Entirely on data, entirely on. Ethan Clark (26:04.982) I think it's like that's that's why we built we built like from the ground up. built it we didn't go on entirely our own data entirely our own network everything has been our It is. Brown Eagle (26:05.282) experiences working with them out there. I think that's why we built. We built from the ground up. We built it. didn't go on. You're not connected to any other AI systems. You're just using your data. Entirely our own data, entirely our own network. Wow. Fundamental infrastructure. That's so much It is. Everybody says I'm crazy. Everybody says it's a horrible idea. Go build on top of this or that or whatever. It's like no, our people. Peter (26:10.69) why we built, we built from the ground up. We built it, we didn't go on. So you're not connected to any other AI systems, you're just using your data. Entirely our own data, entirely our own network, that's so much work. It is, it is. Everybody says I'm crazy. Everybody says it's a horrible idea, go build on top of this or that or whatever. It's like no, our people value data sovereignty. Carrie Robinson (26:24.937) so much work. is. It is. Everybody says that I'm crazy. Everybody says it's a horrible idea and go build on top of this or that or whatever. And it's like no, are people down? Ethan Clark (26:27.168) It is. Everybody says, I'm crazy. Everybody says it's a horrible idea and go build on top of this or that or whatever. And it's like, no, our people value data sovereignty. Right. We have different systems. have different knowledge systems. We have different economic systems. You know, we, we don't want to, we've had enough assimilation. Yeah. Brown Eagle (26:35.302) value data sovereignty. We have different systems, have different knowledge systems, we have different economic systems. We don't want to, we've had enough assimilation. Well, there is these inherent biases in all of the chat routines, the quads, the everything. regardless of anything that's great, it's going to have a bias that not only has your bias. Carrie Robinson (26:35.848) data sovereignty, right? We have different systems, we have different knowledge systems, have different economic systems. You know, we don't want to, we've had enough assimilation. Well, and there is these inherent biases in all of the, you know, the chat, GPTs, the clods, the everything. So now, like, regardless of anything that's created, it's going to have a bias, but now at least this has your bias. You know what I mean? Like it has, it has the bias in the right direction. Peter (26:37.601) We have different systems we have different knowledge systems we have different economic systems, you know, we We don't want to we've had enough assimilation Ethan Clark (26:56.398) Regardless of anything that's rated as non-biased, I'm going to protest your bias. Like, it does apply some direction. It's funny, I mean, when we were prototyping nations way back when, I was doing these, like, trying to do these listings, coin listings on our marketplace thing, and I'm asking, oh, make like 20 aims for, you know, Indigenous resource projects. And it's like chief feather resources. Brown Eagle (27:02.786) I didn't know it was this bias in my direction. It's funny, when we were photos like doing Nations First way back when I was doing these like trying to do these listings, my listings on our marketplace thing, I'm asking, make like 20 names for you know Indigenous resource projects and it's like Chief Feather's resources. What? Carrie Robinson (27:05.802) It's funny, when we were prototyping nations first way back when I was doing these like, trying to do those like these listings, my listings on my marketplace thing, I'm asking, make like 20 names for, you know, indigenous resource projects. And it's like, chief feather resources. what? Yikes. Don't hit down. Yeah, that's your prompt. Bring it down about 10 levels. Like, my God. Peter (27:07.317) We were prototyping nations first way back when I was doing these like trying to do these listings. I'm asking, make like 20 names for, you know, indigenous resource projects. And it's like chief feather resources. Don't get down. Ethan Clark (27:26.35) What? Tone it down. Brown Eagle (27:31.446) Yeah, that's your problem. Bring it down, Bush. Peter (27:37.981) So Brown back to you. So you you've been involved how many years now? Seven years and what's the day in the life for you now? Like as far as your role in the in the whole organization Brown Eagle (27:38.054) So, ground back to you, so you've been involved for 20 years now. Seven years now? Yeah. Seven years. And what's the day in the life for you now? Like, as far as your role in the whole... Yeah, that's a good question. I'm really focused on the educational part right now. I'm taking the lead on that initiative. We actually got so far to partner with a project called Cereblo. They're an educational platform, so they provided a curriculum Carrie Robinson (27:38.066) So Brown, back to you. So you've been involved how many years now? Seven years. Seven years. And what's the day in the life for you now? Like as far as your role in the whole organization? Yeah, that's a question. I'm really focused on the educational part right now. Ethan Clark (27:38.094) So, you've been involved for many years now? Seven years. Seven years. And what's the day in the life for you now? Ethan Clark (27:50.926) Yeah, that's a question. I'm really focused on that engagement part right now. Taking the lead on that initiative. called Cerelo, they're an educational platform, so they provided a curriculum within DAOs and blockchains in A9, and so I'm taking the lead on becoming the one to teach that with students across North America. And so I've been kind of prepping them, you know, creating six modules for these individuals being recognized by the Manitoba government, Wacom as well, be able to like... Carrie Robinson (28:03.052) So they provided a curriculum within DAOs and blockchains and AI. And so I'm taking the lead on becoming the one to teach that with students across North America. And so I've been kind of prepping them, you know, create six modules for these individuals being recognized by the Manitoba government, Watt Canoe as well. be able to really give them the knowledge, just the basic fundamental Peter (28:04.095) Okay. Brown Eagle (28:08.07) within DAOs and blockchains and AI. And so I'm taking the lead on becoming the one to teach that with students across North America. And so I've been kind of prepping them, you know, created six modules for these individuals being recognized by the Manitoba government, Watt Canoe as well. And be able to like really give them the knowledge, just the basic fundamental skills, how to operate in this space, rather than how to buy a token, right? Like how to be able to Peter (28:09.153) and blockchains and AI. so I'm taking the lead on becoming the one to teach that with students across North America. I've been kind prepping them, know, creating six modules for these individuals being recognized by the Manitoba government, one too as well. be able to really give them the knowledge, just the basic fundamental skills, how to operate in this space, rather than how to buy a token, right? Like how to be able to just be empowered, to create a towel through a governance, how to be able to manage your assets, right? How to do that in a very compliant way as well, right? Same thing with AI, but to be able to understand the context of bodies, understand what they ask for, you know. Ethan Clark (28:30.542) really from the knowledge, just the basic fundamental skills, how to operate in a space rather than how the body told you, right? Like how to be able to just be empowered, how to be created out through governance, how to be able to manage your assets, right? Do that in a very compliant way as well. Same thing with AI, able to understand the context of bodies, what they ask for. I tell them all the time, like be imaginative. Carrie Robinson (28:32.886) skills how to operate in this space rather than how to buy a token right like how to be able to just be empowered how to be able to create a doubt through a governance right be able to manage your assets right how you do that in a very compliant way as well yeah right same thing with AI but to be able to understand the context of bodies that they understand to you to what they ask for you know I tell them all the time like be imaginative right like always ask why why would about this what would that like when you're a kid right if you always have all these questions Brown Eagle (28:37.51) system, be empowered, how to be able to create a DAO through a governance, to be able to manage your assets, right? How to do that in a very compliant way as well, right? Same thing with AI, but to be able to understand the context of bodies, but they understand what to ask for. I tell them all the time, be imaginative, right? Always ask why, what about this, what about that? Like when you're a kid, right? You're always asking all these questions, but when we grew up, our imagination kind of narrows down, right? Peter (28:54.674) Right Ethan Clark (28:57.934) always ask why, why this world like when you're a kid, right? All these questions that we grew up, imagination patting down, right? So the tokenization with AI, world is a playground, right? So I really give on a community level, conference level, corporate or even just like plain old blockchain perspective, right? A lot of people get used to being through the boat. You know, I would say the compliant capital world towards the non-compliant capital world. We focus on the Nike club. Carrie Robinson (29:02.826) road. imagination kind of narrows down right so the tokenization with AI the whole world's a playground right so like we give on a community level governance level even incorporate or even just like play no blockchain perspective right a lot of people get misconstrued about you know I would say the compliant capital world towards the non-compliant capital world we focus on the non-compliant capital world what is that that's securing assets to bitcoin public Brown Eagle (29:05.978) With tokenization and with AI, the whole world's your playground, And so I really give on a community level, governance level, even corporate or even just like plain old blockchain perspective, right? lot of people get misconstrued about, you know, I would say the compliant capital world towards the non-compliant capital world. We focus on the non-compliant capital world. What is that? That's securing assets to Bitcoin. Peter (29:24.59) Yeah Ethan Clark (29:27.95) Non-compliant capital, what is that? That's securing assets from Bitcoin, public blockchains. We're able to facilitate that in a compliant way through transaction. And it works. He's on the same chain, I'm on the same chain, send a token. But with a non-compliant world, it's a lot more complex. You have an authentication system, have legacy integration systems, standards. So how do you make that fit and flow? Brown Eagle (29:33.158) public blockchains, right? And you're able to solicitate that in a compliant way through transaction. And it works, right? If he's on the same chain, I'm on the same chain. We just send a token, that's it, right? But with a non or a compliant world, is Web2, it's a lot more complex, Identification systems, legacy integration systems, standards, right? So how do you make that fit and flow on chain? Yeah, and how do you teach that? Carrie Robinson (29:33.869) blockchains, right? You're able to facilitate that in a compliant way through transactions and it works, right? He's on the same chain, I'm on the same chain, you just send a token, that's it, right? But with a non or a compliant world, is Web2, it's a lot more complex, right? Yeah, identification systems, legacy integration systems, standards, right? So how do you make that fit and flow on chain? Yeah, and how do you teach that? Yeah, I was gonna ask, you probably have a wide spectrum. Peter (29:54.433) Yeah, I was gonna ask like he probably have a wide spectrum of people who are technology advanced how is the training going Ethan Clark (29:57.71) Yeah, how do you teach that? Yeah, I was talking about the technology, advanced models, training. It's going good. get a lot of great questions, a lot of great feedback, mostly indigenous people too, really do that focus on the life experience that we actually recognize, Which is systematic suppression, ADMAC resources, know, obviously internal issues with chief and council. Carrie Robinson (30:04.66) technology advanced. is the training going? It's going good. Like I get a lot of great questions, really a lot of great feedback, mostly indigenous people too. I like to redo that focus on the life experience that we actually recognize, right? Which is systematic suppression, the Indian act resources, you know, obviously internal issues with chief and council. So stuff that really makes sense to them, right? And be able to have, how does it look like to when we remove, you know, what to financial institutions? Brown Eagle (30:08.11) It's going good. Like I get a lot of great questions, ready, a lot of great feedback, mostly indigenous people too. I like to really do that and focus on the life experience that we actually recognize, right? Which is systematic suppression of the Indian act resources, you know, obviously internal issues with chief and council. So stuff that really makes sense to them, right? And to have, how does it look like when we remove, you know, web two, Peter (30:23.52) internal issues, chief and councils, so stuff that really makes sense to them. How does it look like when we remove two financial institutions that are intermediaries for our resources or something like that, right? We can actually peer-to-peer, hold it to wallet, and it's a lot more cost effective to transparency, accountability, and to be able to govern our own. Ethan Clark (30:27.118) of that really makes sense to them. How does it look like when we remove what two financial institutions that are in the near use for our resources or something like that. We can actually be peer-to-peer, all to wallet, and it's a lot more cost effective to transparency, accountability, and to be able to take up. Brown Eagle (30:33.296) financial institutions that are intermarities for our resources or something like that, right? We can actually be peer to peer, to wallet, you know, and it's a lot more cost effective too, right? So transparency, accountability, and to be able to govern our own resources, our own way of eligibility, accountability, right? So, yeah. Right. And then speaking of resources, we kind of touched on this obviously before, but something that Peter and I talked about on podcast before is just the mass. Carrie Robinson (30:34.614) that are intermediaries for our resources or something like that, right? We can actually be peer to wallet to wallet, you know, and it's a lot more cost effective too. So transparency, accountability, and to be able to govern our own resources, our own way of eligibility, accountability, right? So yeah. Right. And then, I mean, speaking of resources, we kind of touched on this obviously before, but something that Peter and I have talked about on the Peter (30:49.631) resources, own way of eligibility, accountability, right? yeah. Right. And then, I mean, speaking of resources, we kind of touched on this, before, but something that Peter and I have talked about on the podcast before is Ethan Clark (30:49.644) resources, own way to help disability and productivity rates. Yeah. Right. And then speaking of resources, we kind of touched on this obviously before, but something that Peter and I talked about on the podcast before is just the mass amount of resources being used by these huge data centers, every time you said thank you to the chat, it's just devastating, but it's also these tools are so important. Carrie Robinson (31:00.852) before is just the mass amount of resources that are being used by these huge data centers. What was it, every time you said thank you to ChatGBT, used some amount of water. it's just devastating, but it's also these tools are so important. yeah, you spoke a bit about that earlier. So how do you rationalize all of that? So I think it's a point. Peter (31:02.047) just the mass amount of resources that are being used by these huge data centers. What was it every time you said thank you to GBT and used some amount of water in the place? It's just devastating, but it's also these tools are so important. So yeah, oh, you spoke a bit about that earlier. So how do you kind of rationalize all of that? So I think it's... Brown Eagle (31:03.086) amount of resources that are really used by these huge data centers. What was it, every time they said thank you to the team, used some amount of water. It's just devastating, but also these tools are so important. yeah, you spoke about that earlier. So how do we rationalize all of So, it's a good point, and that's a component. Ethan Clark (31:18.574) Yeah, well, you spoke about that earlier. So how do you kind of rationalize all of Yeah. So I think it's a good point, you know, and that's a component of the course, right, that we're doing. It's on, you know, decentralized finance, decentralized governance and AI prompt engineering. You know, things like the thank you. Peter (31:29.407) It's a point, know, and that's a component of the course, right? We're doing it. It's on, know, decentralized finance, decentralized governance, and AI prompt engineering. You know, things like thank you. You know, I think we're all might be a little worried that someday. There's a reason you say thank you. remember starting off when I was like, I think I had like a, yeah, when it first kind of came out and then you're like, uh, I don't really want. Carrie Robinson (31:30.834) component Brown Eagle (31:32.07) for a script word for creating a credit card, decentralized finance, decentralized governance, and AI engineering. Things like thank you. I think you're welcome to say thank for a hand on this. I think I had like a, yeah, when you first kind of came out, and then you're like, I don't really want to use this thing, but I'm going to. Carrie Robinson (31:33.78) It's on decentralized finance, decentralized governance, and AI engineering. Things like thank you. I think we're all, we might be a little worried that someday. There's a reason you say thank you. I remember starting off when I was like, I think I had like when it first kind of came out and then. Ethan Clark (31:42.678) You know, I think we're all might be a little worried that someday. Yeah, I remember starting off when I was like, I think I had like a, yeah, when it first kind of came out, and then you're like, I don't really want to use this thing, but I'm going to and I'm going to be nice to it. Because I don't really know what this is yet. I hope we can move on that Skynet sort of view of Carrie Robinson (31:58.964) this thing but I'm going to I'm gonna be nice to it because I don't really know what this is yet. hope we can move beyond that Skynet sort of view of you know so that the prompt engineering course can make things all more efficient for just to be better in the way that they that they ask these questions in the way that they utilize this. Peter (31:59.042) this thing but I'm going to I'm gonna be nice to it because I don't really know what this is yet I hope we can move beyond that Skynet sort of view of you know so the engineering course that can make things all more efficient for people just to be better in the way that they that they ask these questions in the way that they utilize this and Brown Eagle (32:01.606) to it because I don't really know what this is yet. I hope we can move on to that Skynet sort of view of, you know, so that the prompt engineering course, I think, can make things all more efficient, just to be better in the way that they ask these questions and the way that they utilize this. And as for, you know, the technology, I think, you know, there is a certain point where it's Ethan Clark (32:11.63) You know, so the, the, the, prompt engineering course then can make things a lot more efficient for people just to, to, be better in the way that they, that they ask these questions and the way that they, they utilize this. And, um, as per, you know, the technology, think, you know, there is that certain point where it's, it's just, you know, clunky and not quite as efficient as it could be, but it's also. Carrie Robinson (32:26.116) As per the technology, think there is that certain point where it's just clunky and not quite as efficient as it could be. But it's also quite interesting if it's developed in the right way, that it'll over time become more efficient, more energy efficient, more water efficient. And it will sort of serve itself in that way. Peter (32:26.116) As per the technology, think there is that certain point where it's clunky and not quite as efficient as it could be. But it's also quite interesting if it's developed in the right way that it'll over time become more efficient, more energy efficient, more water efficient, and it will sort of serve itself in that way. Brown Eagle (32:31.446) It's just clunky and not quite as efficient as it could be. But it's also quite interesting if it's developed in the right way, that it'll over time become more efficient, more energy efficient, more water efficient. And it will serve itself in that way, right? Where I think there's a lot of opportunity there. I think it's just about having the right people at the table and also supply chain. Ethan Clark (32:41.198) quite interesting if it's developed in the right way, that it'll over time become more efficient, more energy efficient, more water efficient. And it will sort of serve itself in that way, right? Where I think there's a lot of opportunity there. I think it's just about having the right people at the table and also supply chain, right? Understanding where all of the minerals are coming from to build these data centers. There's of course, you know, Peter (32:52.378) I think there's a lot of opportunity there. I think it's just about having the right people at the table and also supply chain, right? Understanding where all of the minerals are coming from to build these data centers. There's of course, know, our communities are subject to that, as I mentioned, know, there's an estimated 480 million indigenous people around the world. Carrie Robinson (32:53.556) There's a lot of opportunity there. I think it's just about having the right people at the table. And also supply chain, right? Understanding where all of the minerals are coming from to build these data centers. There's, of course, know, like our communities are subject to that, as I mentioned, you know, there's an estimated 480 million indigenous people around the world. Brown Eagle (32:59.994) right, understanding where all of the minerals are coming from to build these data centers. There's, of course, you know, like our communities are subject to that. As I mentioned, there's an estimated 480 million indigenous people around the world in places we would never even think of, like a quarter of that is in China. Interesting. Yeah. Ethan Clark (33:10.478) Like our communities are subject to that. As I mentioned, you know, there's 400 estimated 480 million indigenous people around the world. Um, in places you never even think of like a quarter of that is in China. Yeah. And like places like Indonesia and India, and it's, it's, it's quite fascinating, but Peter (33:22.565) in places you would never even think of. a quarter of that is in China. Interesting. Yeah. I'm learning so much. And like places like Indonesia, India. Carrie Robinson (33:22.566) in places you would never even think of. Like a quarter of that is in China. Interesting. Yeah. I'm learning so much. And like places like Indonesia, India, and it's quite fascinating. you know, all these places that are subject to these, these, you know, to mineral exploration, mineral extraction, all that sort of stuff. And so, you know, for our communities to onboard. Brown Eagle (33:31.381) And like places like Indonesia and India and it's quite fascinating but you know all these places that are subject to these to these you know mineral extraction and mineral extraction all that sort of stuff and so you know for our communities to to onboard into this technology there's a big component of what effect is this having on our other peoples even if that's on our own communities. Peter (33:35.261) It's quite fascinating, all these places that are subject to these, to mineral exploration, mineral extraction, all that sort of stuff. so for our communities to onboard into this technology, there's a big component of what effect this is having on our other peoples. Even if that's not in our own communities, we're all connected, right? Ethan Clark (33:37.272) You know, all these places that are subject to these, to these, you know, to mineral exploration, mineral extraction, all that sort of stuff. And so, you know, for our communities to, to onboard into this technology, there's a big component of what effect is this having on our other peoples, even if that's not in our own communities. you know, we're all connected, right. And ensuring that we're able to, you know, responsibly. Carrie Robinson (33:50.996) this technology, there's a big component of what effect is this having on our other peoples, even if that's not in our own communities. You know, we're all connected, right? And ensuring that we're able to, you know, responsibly develop this technology and, you know, responsibly develop the infrastructure, you know, and that sort of compute. So, yeah, you know, there's a component of that. Brown Eagle (33:59.664) You know, we're all connected, right? And ensuring that we're able to, you know, responsibly develop this technology and, you know, responsibly develop the infrastructure, you know, and that sort of computes. So, yeah, that, you know, there's a component of that where I think it, you know, as long as it's led by the right people with the right intentions and the supply chain is trapped and the companies that are. Peter (34:02.928) ensuring that we're able to, you know, responsibly develop this technology and, you know, responsibly develop the infrastructure, you know, that sort of computes. yeah, you know, there's a component of that where I think it, you know, as long as it's led by the right people and with the right intentions and the supply chain is trapped and the companies that are, you know, extracting those resources are held accountable. Ethan Clark (34:07.308) develop this technology and, you know, responsibly develop the infrastructure, you know, and that sort of compute. yeah, that, you know, there's a, there's a component of that where I think it, you know, as long as it's led by the right people and what the right intentions and the supply chain is tracked and the companies that are, you know, extracting those resources are held accountable back to the actual communities, which is sort of where we come in. Carrie Robinson (34:21.916) as long as it's led by the right people and with the right intentions and the supply chain is tracked and the companies that are extracting those resources are held accountable back to the actual communities, which is sort of where we come in. The people that are going to be subject to the long-term effects of the land are of course going to take better care of them. Brown Eagle (34:29.926) you know, extracting those resources are held accountable back to the actual communities. Which is sort of where we, right, we don't end up with people that are going to subject to the long term effects of the land birth and folks going to better care of it. Right. And that's, you know, we always talk about the whole seven generations thing, know, 25 years a generation, we have to think, you know, have to think a hundred and Peter (34:32.797) the actual communities, which is sort of where we come in, right? We come in, you know, the people that are going to be subject to the long-term effects of the land are of course going to take better care of it. Right. And that's, you know, we always talk about the whole seven generations thing, know, 25 years generation. Ethan Clark (34:37.07) Right? We hung in, you know, the people that are going to be subject to the long-term effects of the land are of course going to take better care of it. And that's, you know, we always talk about the whole seven generations thing and, you know, 25 years of generation, we have to think, you know, we have to think 175 years ahead. Right? What is the long-term effect of... Carrie Robinson (34:47.252) And that's, you know, we always talk about the whole seven generations thing, know, 25 years generation, we have to think, you know, we have to think 175 years ahead. Right? What how what is the long term effect of the actual infrastructure to do this? And is it worth it? And how do we make sure that it is because I'm a big believer. Peter (34:56.369) think you know we have to think 175 years ahead right what how what is the long-term effect of the actual infrastructure to do this and is it worth it and how do we make sure that it is because I'm not a big believer in technology Brown Eagle (34:59.11) 75 years ahead, right? What is the long-term effect of the actual infrastructure to do this and is it worth it? And how do we make sure that it is? Because I'm not a big fan of I think this will solve a lot of problems. think most of the world's big problems come down to transparency and governance. And so think decentralizing it has always been a lot more efficient. Yeah. Ethan Clark (35:05.717) the actual infrastructure to do this and is it worth it? And how do we make sure that it is? Cause I'm a big believer in technology. think this will solve a lot of problems. think most of the world's big problems come down to transparency and governance. And so I think decentralizing it has always just been a lot more efficient. Carrie Robinson (35:13.734) I think this will solve a lot of problems. think most of the world's big problems come down to transparency and governance. And so I think decentralizing it has always just been a lot more efficient. Yeah. Well, and Peter (35:14.103) this will solve a lot of problems. think most of the world's big problems come down to transparency and governance. And so I think decentralizing it has always just been a lot more efficient. Brown Eagle (35:28.292) Well, and... I have daughter. It feels like AI is emerging in the future, especially now with AI moving as quickly as it has. But fast forward a little bit, mention a little bit, but let's say everything in all your dreams come true. What does the future look like? Can you paint a little bit of a picture of this, like really ticked off? What does that look like across the world at this point? think that's why like nation first exists. Carrie Robinson (35:32.692) I had thought there. Go ahead. It feels like, you know, hard to predict the future, especially right now with AI just moving as quickly as it has. But fast forward a little bit, like you mentioned a little bit, but let's say everything, all your hopes and dreams come true. What does the future look like? Can you paint a little bit of a picture if this like really takes hold? What does that look like across? Peter (35:33.533) They're gone? Yeah, it feels like, yeah, hard to predict the future, especially right now with AI just moving as quickly as it has. But fast forward a little bit, like you mentioned a little bit, but let's say everything, all your hopes and dreams come true. What does the future look like? Can you paint a little bit of a picture if this like really takes hold? What does that look like across the world in some ways? Ethan Clark (35:46.213) I think that's why they need to first thing to be sure that you're with your lab. Carrie Robinson (35:57.332) Across the world in some ways. I that's why like nation first exists to ensure that you don't get left behind right? I think not even to not get left behind to read right? I think for a long time we've been left behind in the way that we are almost assimilated into these things we see our Peter (35:59.298) That's why ancient firstly exists to ensure that communities don't get left behind, right? But not just that, to empower them. Right. I think not even to not get left behind to lead, right? Because I think for a long time we've been left behind in the way... Brown Eagle (36:01.03) to ensure that communities don't get left behind, right? But not just that, to empower them, right? I think not even to not get left behind to lead, right? Because I think for a long time we've been left behind in the way that we are almost assimilated into these things. We see our, not to knock them, but we see a lot of groups, know, ambitious companies doing these legacy industries and like, you know, the big thing is IPL. Ethan Clark (36:02.478) I think not even to not get left behind to lead, right? Cause I think for a long time we've been left behind in the way that we are almost assimilated into these things. see our, you know, not to knock them, but we see a lot of groups like, you know, indigenous companies doing like these legacy industries and like, you know, the big thing is IPOing. Like that doesn't really serve us. Peter (36:15.456) assimilated right into these things we see our once and not them but we see a lot of groups like you know business companies doing like these legacy industries and like you know the big thing is IPO right doesn't really serve us I think it's not really serving interests it's not really rooted in our systems and so you know I think that there is a big sort of restructuring and bringing it back to sort of our people Carrie Robinson (36:19.956) want to knock them, but we see a lot of groups like, know, indigenous companies doing like these legacy industries and like, you know, the big thing is IPO. It doesn't really serve us. It's not really serving an interest. It's not really rooted in our systems. so, um, you know, I think that there is a big sort of restructuring and bringing it back to, to serve our people and empower. Brown Eagle (36:30.43) That doesn't really serve us. That's not really serving our interests. It's not really rooted in our systems. I think that there is a big restructuring and bringing it back to our people and empowering those 480 million plus Indigenous peoples to actually govern and invest in these developments. Such a amazing way to think about it. Ethan Clark (36:31.982) I mean, it's not really serving an interest. It's not really rooted in our, in our systems. so, you know, I think that there is a big sort of restructuring and bringing it back to, sort of our people and empowering those 480 million plus indigenous peoples to actually govern and invest into these, these developments. Peter (36:45.436) 480 million plus indigenous peoples to actually govern and invest into these developments. Such an amazing way to think about it just as far as like create your own versus leveraging other things that already exist like it's just it feels like this is the right time with technology to the ability to disrupt is so high and you find you have these tools that you can bring together to build this thing and finance is Carrie Robinson (36:45.55) those 480 million plus indigenous peoples to actually govern and invest into these developments. Such an amazing way to think about it just as far as like create your own versus leveraging other things that already exist. it's just, it feels like this is the right time with technology to the ability to disrupt. It's so high. And you finally, you have these tools that can bring together to build this thing. And finance is such a big pillar of this stuff. Ethan Clark (37:01.664) It feels like the right time with technology to the ability to trust. Yeah. So you finally have these tools. got to this thing and finance. It's such a big pillar of No matter what, this point, lean on something else. that's the Yeah. The trust is like increasingly automated now. Right. And then the way internet is forward like to get back to the information. Brown Eagle (37:10.385) trust is increasingly automated now Peter (37:13.045) such a big pillar of this stuff, right? That no matter what, up to this point, you're going to be having to lean on something else. So that's exciting. Carrie Robinson (37:15.414) no matter what up to this point you're going to be having to lean on something else so that's exciting. but trust is like being increasingly automated now right and then the way internet is before with web2 you have access to information but with blockchain it's reconstruction the way you have that access of information and the exchange of value right so with that said nation's first is able to reconstruct governance and sovereignty right so that's why we're building fundamental infrastructure for them to be able to lead as well. Brown Eagle (37:25.446) Right? And then the way internet is before with Web2, you have access to information. But with blockchain, it's reconstruction the way you have that access of information and the exchange of value. Right? So with that said, Nations First is able to reconstruct governance and sovereignty. Right? So that's why we're building fundamental infrastructure for them to be able to lead as well. Wow. That makes sense. And that's totally, which is funny because I don't understand it in WebLockchain, but it really makes sense. Ethan Clark (37:31.214) But with blockchain, it's really construction that we have that accurate information and need to value. So with that said, we're able to construct governance and property. So that's why we're building a structure for them to be able to meet as well. And that's particularly, which is funny because I really enjoy watching, but you really made it make sense. What I really love to see is that instead of... Peter (37:35.067) exchange of value. So with that said, patients firstly is able to reconstruct governance and sovereignty. So that's what we're fundamental infrastructure for them to be able to lead as well. Carrie Robinson (37:45.566) Wow. that's totally, which is funny because I don't understand anything about blockchain, but you're really making it make sense. But what I really love to see is that instead of seeing these tools and being like, these are scary and they could hurt us, but it's seeing what they can possibly do. And like you said, even if they're not really efficient now, and even if they're not great now, they can themselves help. Peter (37:46.779) And that's totally, which is funny because I don't know if anyone is watching, but you know the range of it makes sense. But what I really love to see is that instead of seeing these people and being like, oh these are scary for us, but it's seeing what they possibly do and like you said, even if they're not really efficient now, and even if they're not great now, they can themselves help become more sustainable and help become better. Brown Eagle (37:54.886) What I really love to see is that instead of seeing these tools and being like, oh, these are scary and they could hurt us, but it's seeing what they can possibly do. And like you said, even if they're not really efficient now, and even if they're not great now, they can themselves help become more sustainable and help become better and help live this future that you're imagining. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are scared of them. Ethan Clark (37:59.5) seeing these tools and being like, these are scary and hurt us. it's, you know, seeing what they can possibly do. And like you said, even if they're not really efficient now, even if they're not great now, they can themselves help you become more sustainable and help you become better and then look at this future that you're Carrie Robinson (38:14.036) become more sustainable and help become better and help build this future that you're imagining. Yeah. And there's a lot of our people that are scared of it, right? Of course. I was going to call this morning, like, well, my 78 grandmother, I'm not 78 year old grandmother. I'm not expecting your 78 year old grandmother to utilize it. Right. But we have such a dumb population. half of our people are Peter (38:16.411) And there's a lot of our people that are scared of it. I was on a call this morning, it's like, well, my 78 grandmother, well, I'm an 78 year old grandmother. I'm not expecting your 78 year old grandmother to utilize it. But we have such a young population. Like half of our people are under the age of 35. We are the fastest growing population in Canada. And it is the same in the States, in New Zealand, Australia, and all the other countries with indigenous peoples. And so more and more Ethan Clark (38:18.734) And there's a lot of our people that are scared of it, right? I mean, I was in a call this morning. It's like, well, my 78 grandmother, I'm not a 78 year old grandmother. I'm not expecting your 78 year old grandmother to utilize it. But we have such a young population. Like half of our people are under the age of 35. We are the fastest growing population in Canada. And that is the same in the States and Australia and all the other countries, peoples. And so more and more and more of our people are Brown Eagle (38:20.838) I was talking to Nicole this morning, she well, my 78 year grandmother, I'm not expecting your 78 year old grandmother to legalise things. But we have such a young population, like half of our people are under the age of 35. We are fastest growing population in Canada. It is the same in the States, Australia and all the other countries with indigenous peoples. And so more and more and more of our people are using these tools. Carrie Robinson (38:36.948) We are the fastest growing population in Canada. And it is the same in the States, New Zealand, Australia, and all the other countries with indigenous peoples. And so more and more and more of our people are using these tools. I mean, they're being born with these tools. Yeah, you can't not have them in your life. And so, you know, it is sort of becoming less scary, I think, for a lot of our people. And I think it's just about empowering them with... Peter (38:46.364) more of our people are using these tools. I they're being born with these tools. so, you know, it is, it is sort of becoming less scary, I think, for a lot of our people. And I think it's just about empowering them with the tools to actually build it themselves to ensure that they're really leading it. Ethan Clark (38:48.456) using these tools. mean, they're being born with these tools. so, you know, it is, it is sort of becoming less scary, I think, for a lot of our people. And I think it's just about empowering them with the tools to actually build it themselves to ensure that they're really leading it. Which is why I just think that like, you know, Brown Eagle (38:49.702) I mean, they're being born with these tools. That's yeah, you can't not have them in your life. And so, you know, it is, it is sort of becoming less scary, I think, for a lot of our people. And I think it's just about empowering them with the tools to actually build it themselves to ensure that they're really leading it. Which is why I just think that like, you know, Carrie Robinson (39:06.568) the tools to actually build it themselves to ensure that they're really leading it. Which is why I just think that like, you know, AI and blockchain just fits so well together and ensuring that it's not the big. Peter (39:14.36) Which is why I just think that like, you know, AI and blockchain just fits so well together and ensuring that it's not the big. Brown Eagle (39:18.214) AI and blockchain just fits so well together and ensuring that it's the multi centibillion dollar market cap companies that are determining how these technologies are used, where they're being stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you get involved in every single bit of it. still. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it was just the best time to, you know, Ethan Clark (39:18.304) AI and blockchain just fits so well together and ensuring that it's not the big, you know, the big multi, you know, centi billion dollar market cap companies that are determining how these technologies are used, where they're being stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Carrie Robinson (39:25.972) you know, to pick multi, you know, centibillion dollar market cap companies that are determining how these technologies are used, where they're being stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And getting ahold of every single bit of it. It's like, there's plenty to go around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And which is the best time to, you know, break into it and start doing what you guys are doing instead of saying, oh, well, we'll figure it out when everybody else figures it out. It's like, we need to be a part of. Peter (39:26.038) you know, to pick multi, you know, centi billion dollar market cap companies that are determining how these technologies are used, where they're being stored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And which is the best time to, you know, break into it and start doing what you guys are doing instead of saying, well, we'll figure it out when everybody else figures it out. It's like, no, we need to be a part of Brown Eagle (39:47.856) break into it and start doing what you guys are doing instead of saying, we'll figure it out when everybody else figures it out. So no, need to be a part of this so that we can grow this in a better way. Yeah. And that was, like I mentioned that we built everything from the ground up and it was really like, was like, we have to set the foundation, right? You know, we really have to the foundation, right? Otherwise, how will we scale into anything meaningful? Totally. know, how big is the job? Ethan Clark (39:47.886) break into it and start doing what you guys are doing instead of saying, well, we'll figure it out. Yeah. that was, like I mentioned that we built it into the ground up. It was really like, it was like, we have to set the foundation, right? You know, we really have to foundation, right? Otherwise, how will we scale into anything meaningful? Carrie Robinson (39:55.878) of this so that we know it grows in a better way. Yeah. And that was like, mentioned that we built everything from the ground up and it was really like, was like, have to set the foundation, right? You know, we really have to set the foundation, right? Otherwise, how will we scale into anything meaningful? Totally. How big is the company you're building nations first? How big is it? It's about 22 people. 22 people. Peter (40:09.065) How big is the company you're building nations first is how big is it 22 people amazing Brown Eagle (40:16.71) company you're building nations first is probably 22 people. people. And you can go everywhere else. Across the country. Mostly Toronto, Calgary, one of them is down. Now he's back in Chile. it's a real long way to Chile. International. International. It's comprised of developers and finance, global and transfer Ethan Clark (40:20.029) How big is it? It's about 22 people. We just brought in our 22nd person. Canada. Mostly like Toronto, Calgary, and it's down. Now he's back in Chile. So we got one guy in Chile. International. Yeah, international. And then Vancouver. Carrie Robinson (40:25.364) And you're kind of all across? Across Canada, yeah. Mostly like, you know, Toronto. Cog Red. Now he's back in Chile, but... Oh wow! International! It's comprised of developers and financial experts, that kind of thing. Yeah, so it's about half dev team and then the other Peter (40:25.37) And you have all across? Across Canada. it's you know, Toronto, Calgary, one of them is now, now he's back in Chile, but we're the one guy in Chile. Thanks. International. Yeah, international. And I'm assuming it's comprised of developers and financial experts, that kind of thing? Yeah. So it's half dev team. Right. And then the other half is sort of more into... Ethan Clark (40:44.046) All throughs. Yeah, so it's about half dev team. And then the other half is sort of more into the, you know, finance, the politics, the resource projects. Brown Eagle (40:47.012) Yeah, so it's about half dev team. And then the other half is sort of more into the, you know, finance, politics, the resource projects. Really hyper-focused on like the cultural framework and how we're leading into these communities. We're not just a transactional relationship, right? So, we're very, in your turn, those relationships. Carrie Robinson (40:51.508) sort of more into the, you know, finance, the politics, the resource projects. Really hyper-focused on like the cultural framework and how we're leading into these communities. not just a transactional relationship, right? So a big shift that you're making, right? Not just like you said, not just where you're Peter (40:53.71) finance, the politics, the resource projects. Really hyper-focused on the cultural framework. Ethan Clark (41:02.68) not just a transactional relationship. Yeah, it's a partnership. Peter (41:03.546) Right Right Some big shifts that you're making right not just like you said it's not just where you're gonna withdraw your money from it's gonna be how you think about everything so that's exciting how do people find out more about this is there Brown Eagle (41:17.022) how do think about everything? that's exciting. How do people find out more about this? there a study? Yeah, so, you know, we have the nationsfirst.io. We have, we're on LinkedIn at Nations First. We're on, you know, Twitter X. We're on YouTube. We're on all of it. We have a Discord community that Brown runs. Carrie Robinson (41:17.468) think about everything so that's exciting. How do people find out more about this? there a site or anything? Yeah so you know we have the nationsfirst.io Ethan Clark (41:19.675) Yeah. How do people know more about your site? Yeah. So, you know, we have the nationsfirst.io. We have, we're on LinkedIn, Nations First, we're on, you know, Twitter X, we're on YouTube, we're on all of it. We have a Discord community that Brown runs, Twitter spaces that Brown runs. have... Peter (41:32.393) We're on LinkedIn, Nations First, we're on TwitterX, we're on YouTube, we're on all of it. We have a Discord community that Brown runs, Twitter spaces that Brown runs, have... Carrie Robinson (41:34.162) Nations First, we're on Twitter, X, we're on YouTube, we're on all of it. We have a Discord community that Brown runs, Twitter spaces that Brown runs, we have the course, so we offer that for free for indigenous peoples. amazing. And they can find that on your website. They can find that on our website. then we're all over. Brown Eagle (41:45.342) Twitter spaces that Brown Romans really have. We have the course. So, you know, we offer that for free for indigenous peoples and underserved communities. And they can find it on our website. They can find it on our website. And then, you know, we're all over. We're, know, we're happy to meet with people and chat and all over the place. We'll be at the Web Summit coming up May 27th to the 30th. Ethan Clark (41:48.878) we have the course, so, you know, we're, offer that for free for indigenous peoples and sort of underserved communities. They can find it on our website. and then, you know, we're all over, you know, we're, happy to meet with people, and chat. I'm all over the place. we'll be at the web summit coming up in May 27th to the 30th. Yeah. So we'll be speaking at that, our. Peter (41:50.969) We have the course, so we offer that for free for indigenous peoples. And they can find that on your website. They can find that on our website. And then, we're all over. We're happy to meet with people and chat. I'm all over the place. We'll be at the Web Summit coming up in May 27th to the 30th. That's in Vancouver? Yeah. So we'll be speaking at that. Carrie Robinson (42:02.867) We're happy to meet with people. I chat, I'm all over the place. get the web summit coming up in May 27th to the 30th. This is from Vancouver? Yeah. So we'll be speaking at that. Pretty much our whole team will be there. Oh, amazing. Other than our dev team that will come out of the shadows. Right. They're in the back. We have some of those too. We'll bring one. You never trust a booth that doesn't have a guy sitting on the floor of a lab. Brown Eagle (42:14.881) Yeah, so we'll be speaking at that. Pretty much our whole team will be there. Other than our dev team, they'll come out of the shadows. We'll bring one, you know, you never trust a booth that doesn't have a guy sitting on the floor of a laptop. You guys are not legit. We were here yesterday, we the floor. So here at Adventures, Peter (42:18.233) Pretty much our whole team will be there. Other than our dev team. They'll come out of the shadows. We'll bring one, you you never trust a booth that doesn't have a guy. Ethan Clark (42:18.51) pretty much our whole team will be there. Other than our dev team, don't come out of the shadows. We'll bring one, you you never trust a booth that doesn't have a guy sitting on the floor with a laptop. You guys are not legit. Yes. Separately. Peter (42:31.161) sitting on the floor of the laptop. You guys are not legit. I was literally here yesterday, he was on the floor. Okay, so here at Adventures, you're both speaking? Yes. Separately together? Separately. I'll be speaking on DeFi and TrackFi, how it brings financial inclusion. Carrie Robinson (42:32.421) You guys are not legit. was literally Peter yesterday who was on the floor. didn't have a table yet. Okay, so here at Adventures, you're both speaking? Yes. Separately together? Separately. And what are you speaking on? I'll be speaking on deepfie into trapfie how I raised financial inclusion. Whoa. Brown Eagle (42:43.654) You're both speaking? Yes. Separately together? Separately. I'll be speaking on DeFi into TradFi, how it brings financial inclusion. Whoa, that sounds so futuristic. It's a cool one. I have a disruptive legacy industry. cool. It's cool, yeah. Just to add on to the education component too, we do offer employment, Web3 employment as well. So once it starts July 1st, we're aiming for that. Peter (42:54.905) That sounds so futuristic. This is a cool one. I am disrupting legacy industries. It's cool. It's cool. Carrie Robinson (42:54.94) That sounds so futuristic. It's a cool one. I have disrupting legacy industries. Also cool. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah. Ethan Clark (42:54.958) That sounds so interesting. It's the cool one. I have disrupting legacy industries. cool. It's cool. Yeah. Peter (43:09.666) So once it starts July 1st, we're in for that. So yeah, sign up immediately and we do offer employment with a Solana blockchain super team. So there is a priority once you guys do get that six week course. Carrie Robinson (43:09.684) So once it starts July 1st, we're aiming for that. So yeah, sign up immediately. And we do offer employment through the Solana blockchain super team. So there is a prioritize once you guys do get that six week course. Cool. That's awesome. That's so awesome. Well, Brown Eagle, Ethan Clark, thanks for taking the time out of your busy couple of days. know that you typically like to be prepping for your talks. Ethan Clark (43:12.378) for that. So yeah, sign up immediately and we do offer employment with a Solana blockchain super team. there is a private PISPAT month so you guys do get that student course. Cool, well done. That's awesome. running all the time. You're busy a couple days and all that. Typically prepping for your box so... Brown Eagle (43:13.19) So yeah, sign up, you know, immediately. And we do offer employment through the Solana blockchain super team. So there is a prioritize once you guys do get that six-week course. Cool. That's awesome. Well, Brownie, Clark, thanks for taking time out of your busy couple days. Typically like to be prepping for your talk. Peter (43:28.152) That's awesome. Well, Browneagle, Ethan Clark, thanks for taking the time out of your busy couple days. know that you typically like to be prepping for your talks. So no, we appreciate it. So thank you very much for being on. For sure. Thank you for having us. It's It's, you know, I think we spend so much time in the blockchain space and AI is just such a huge component. Brown Eagle (43:38.918) This is a good prepper here. Thank you very much for being on. For sure. Thank you for having us. It's great. I think we spend so much time in the blockchain space and AI is just such a huge component of it. And it's just, it's so hard to do more. So being able to, you know, being forced to think about these things, you know, at the front rather than sort of an afterthought is great. Right. Yeah. Ethan Clark (43:39.126) I'm that we are. Carrie Robinson (43:39.638) for you. We appreciate it. So thank you very much for being on. For sure. Thank you for having us. Yeah. Great. It's, you know, we spent so much time in the blockchain space and AI is just such a huge component of it. And it's just it's so hard. Ethan Clark (43:45.518) Thank you for having us. This is great. It's, you know, I think we spend so much time in the blockchain space and AI is just such a huge component of it. And it's just, it's so hard to ignore. so being able to, you know, being forced to think about these things, you know, at the front rather than sort of an afterthought is great. Right. That's what we found too. The sooner you implement something like that, the sooner it starts working for you. Instead of you trying to figure it out. Peter (43:55.298) It's just, it's so hard to learn. So being able to, you know, being forced to think about these things. Carrie Robinson (43:57.044) So being able to, you know, be forced to think about these things, you know, at the front rather than sort of an afterthought is, That's what we found too is like the sooner you implement something like that, the sooner it starts working for you instead of you trying to figure it out in your head against it the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's exciting. Yeah. So thanks again. Is there anything else you wanted to touch on? can easily tack these things and like put them together like, like over Peter (44:01.398) You know at the front rather than sort of an afterthought is great. Yeah. That's what we found too. It's like the sooner you implement something like that, the sooner it starts working for you. Yeah. Instead of you trying to figure it out. Yeah. You're head against it the whole time. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's exciting. Yeah. So thanks again. Is there anything else you wanted to touch on? We can easily tack these things, like put them together like Lego bricks a little bit. So if there's anything else you missed. Brown Eagle (44:05.904) That's what we found too, is like the sooner you implement something like that, the sooner it starts working for you. Yeah. Instead of you trying to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ethan Clark (44:14.19) Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, think hit all the marks. Carrie Robinson (44:27.142) Yeah. Peter (44:31.482) Yeah, this is great, okay, I'm gonna stop the recording then and we can okay Brown Eagle (44:32.659) They put it the information.